Hi,
seems quite dead around here…
any news/projections/plans about so high hyped burndrop?
Hi,
seems quite dead around here…
any news/projections/plans about so high hyped burndrop?
Burndrop. I’m waiting for it too. Is there any way to save ASTR besides this? I felt frustrated after seeing Yoki Arcade.
Hey @kebitorrent, @Han,
Fair callout, and thanks for bumping this instead of letting it sit quietly. The quiet on the forum isn’t the project going quiet, but I get why it reads that way, so here’s a real update instead of a holding message.
On Burndrop: it’s not cancelled, and it’s not stuck, it’s sequenced. Burndrop is the supply-side end of a loop, not a standalone rescue button. The design (laid out in From Activity to Value Capture) is products generate real economic activity and revenue → that value is routed back to ASTR → Burndrop is the governance-controlled path that turns part of it into permanent supply reduction. A burn with no real activity behind it is symbolic at best. So the sequencing is intentional: get the value-generating products live first, then the supply-side mechanism has something real to act on. It also depends on the partner side confirming the eligible token(s), which isn’t ours to call unilaterally. And candidly, you don’t debut a voluntary-burn event into the weakest stretch of a market cycle and expect it to read as conviction, timing it for when it can actually mean something is a feature, not foot-dragging.
In parallel with preparing Burndrop, Astar is concentrating on becoming a consumer finance platform, starting from Japan. And this isn’t a pivot from zero, Q1 alone shipped the groundwork: Tokenomics 3.0 went live (fixed maximum supply, emission decay, a lower inflation ceiling), dApp Staking was rebuilt around a curated set of 16 projects, the Astar Portal was rebuilt into a single EVM + Native interface, and the ASTR value-capture framework was defined. The finance layer is being built on top of that, not instead of it. (Full Q1 recap here.)
What that looks like in product terms:
That’s the loop that gives Burndrop something to burn: real products → real revenue → value routed to ASTR → supply reduction on top of the fixed-supply model from Tokenomics 3.0.
@Han, on “is there any other way to save ASTR”, I’d gently reframe it. ASTR’s value was never meant to hang on a single event. It comes from products people actually use, revenue routed back, a fixed maximum supply, and Burndrop on top of that, not instead of it. The full direction is in Astar 2026: Product-led Execution if you want the end-to-end picture.
And to answer the worry underneath all of this directly: Astar isn’t going anywhere. The Foundation is well funded and the treasury has been managed carefully for years, we have the runway to keep building for years, not months. The pace you’re seeing isn’t a wind-down, it’s sequencing, getting the products right before the mechanisms that depend on them.
@Han, one genuine question, not a deflection: what specifically frustrated you about Yoki Arcade? The rewards, the timing, the way it was communicated, something else? Hearing it directly is more useful than you’d think, it’s exactly the kind of feedback that shapes how we avoid repeating it.
Gaius_sama ![]()
Astar Foundation
Thank you for your answer. So you mean not for the time being.
Since I have to use a translator, there are many restrictions on language selection.
So I hesitated to speak, but I posted a reply because it seemed like the forum was no longer actively run.
First of all, there are two points of concern in your writing.
1. I am aware that the foundation has secured sufficient funds. However, I am concerned that those funds might be being obtained solely through ASTR staking.
2. I understand that the Bitbank EPOS card accrues 0.5% in points; is that considered significant in Japan? I just thought it was a symbolic promotion.
And I will tell you about Yoki Arcade.
1. They don’t charge any fees, so what benefit does the ASTAR Foundation gain?
2. How long does one game usually take? It takes 3 minutes for cup noodles to cook. When I tried running the event, it took about 1 minute at the fastest, and usually 3 to 4 minutes. It took a little longer when I tried it yesterday. Due to the nature of the game, draws are common. Is this the right direction?
3. Select an element and match the user. Shouldn’t the user be the one to match and select the element? This was the part I didn’t understand the most. If you suffer consecutive defeats, it is only natural to have doubts.
Since mini-games were added to the StarTail APP, I have been logging in more than 10 times a day. As soon as YOKI came out, I went in and without even looking at what kind of game it was, I immediately paid 350 ASTR and bought the Element. However, it does not go in now. I don’t have the luxury of spending that much time on a single match. That is why I was disappointed.
I just thought of it, the ladder game that opens every 5 minutes. If it is a winner-takes-all structure, I think this method might attract more people. If the foundation automatically fills the empty slots.
As I mentioned, due to language barriers, my thoughts may have been conveyed slightly differently than they actually were. Also, I may be a bit agitated due to the ASTR prices racing toward their lowest points. I ask for your understanding.
Hi Gaius,I already expressed my approval in the past for the change of direction taken at the beginning of the year. I’m taking advantage of this summary to ask you a few questions.First, I want to clarify that for personal reasons I hope to resolve soon, for the past month and a half I have consciously chosen not to post on the forum, on X, or even use the network (including Yoki Arcade). Therefore, I’m not expressing any specific opinions on those matters.That said, I’d like to focus on Astar’s direction. I really appreciate this awakening. I don’t know the internal reasons behind it, but I fully support the approach of first building functional and truly usable products, creating a solid base of real usage, and only then culminating with Burndrop (market and partners permitting).However, my main consideration is that having a good product is not enough — you also need traffic, users, and visibility. I strongly criticized the strategy adopted with Soneium, as I believe it brought very few real benefits to our network and, worst of all, effectively exported part of our community in its favor (starting with the ACS campaign).My current concern is this: the market is testing us hard. It’s not just regular holders — I’m also seeing doubts and perplexity from community reference figures. I’m not questioning that the treasury is healthy and allows us to keep developing for years, as you said. The real question is different: will these funds also be enough for engagement activities, building a new community, marketing, and incentives?We have slid inexorably far down the market cap rankings. Astar risks becoming (if it hasn’t already) irrelevant. It’s a tough time for everyone, but going from the top 200 to nearly falling out of the top 500 means we’ve lost more ground than most.Even though I’ve always supported the idea that independence was a necessary path, I don’t believe we can become attractive again on our own. We need to focus our resources on two parallel tracks: product development and a much closer, strategic collaboration with the parent company and its ecosystem. Only in this way can we catch some of the crumbs that fall from the bigger table.You have always used a low-profile marketing strategy, which worked when the project was riding high (I remember when ASTR was touching 20 cents and everyone was talking about it). Today, however, we have very low visibility in terms of community and engagement. One or more products alone won’t change this. They will build a foundation, but attention is driven by traffic, strong partnerships, and visible deals.Perhaps it’s time to review the marketing strategy with the same determination with which the development strategy was revised.Thank you for your attention and transparency.
Thank you for coming back, and please don’t worry about the translator, your points came through clearly. This is exactly the kind of direct feedback that is useful to us.
On your two concerns first.
1. On funding. The treasury is not run on ASTR alone. It is managed across stablecoins, other assets, and ASTR, and our operating costs are not covered by selling ASTR. We do not need to sell ASTR to operate, and we especially do not want to in current market conditions. So the runway does not depend on pushing ASTR into the market.
2. On the Bitbank card. You’re right that it isn’t a headline project on its own, and the cashback rate is what it is. The signal that matters is different: out of every asset that could have been chosen, ASTR was selected alongside only BTC and ETH. For a mainstream Japanese financial product, that says something real about where ASTR sits in Japan. We treat it as a proof point, not the main event.
Now Yoki Arcade, and thank you for being specific.
Some context on why it exists and where it lives. Yoki Arcade continues the Yoki IP, placed inside the Startale App ecosystem on Soneium, which is the L2 focused on entertainment and IP, the right home for a product like this. The way to read it is as a consumer IP product, in line with Astar’s product-led direction, with ASTR at the center to grow demand and usage for the token. It is a deliberately smaller project than what we are putting most of our weight behind, like AstarFi.
On your specific points, I want to be honest rather than make promises:
Your ladder-game idea, a fast winner-takes-all round every few minutes, is a genuinely good instinct, and I’ve noted it. Short, decisive, frequent loops are the right direction for consumer products. Where that thinking goes next for us is mostly into AstarFi, which is the project carrying the most weight, one place to save, earn, and invest across your onchain assets.
And on the price pressure underneath all this: that’s understandable, and you don’t need to apologize for it. The honest answer is that we’re not trying to fix the chart with a single event. We’re building products people actually use, with ASTR in the middle of them, and letting value follow from there.
Gaius_sama ![]()
Astar Foundation
Hi @Marroz,
Good to see you back, and thank you for a thoughtful message. I’ll be straight with you: I agree with a lot of it.
On Soneium and the ACS campaign, I’d put it slightly more gently than you. It was a genuine attempt to build alongside a larger ecosystem, and parts of it didn’t play out the way we hoped, the benefits back to ASTR and to our own community were thinner than we wanted. We’ve taken that as a real learning rather than something to repeat. It’s part of why our next product launches won’t follow the same path: instead of routing attention through an adjacent ecosystem, the new products are being built to launch into ecosystems that already have real users, Ethereum and Base in particular, and to compete for those users directly.
That’s also where I’d gently differ on the parent-company point. I don’t think the answer is to attach ourselves more tightly to a bigger table and hope for the crumbs. I think the bigger opportunity is the opposite: to reach outward, beyond our own ecosystem and frankly beyond the usual crypto audience, toward real users, using modern and social marketing to bring new people onchain. That is the approach behind the new launches, and it’s a deliberate break from the low-profile posture you described.
On your core point, that a good product is not enough without traffic, users, and visibility: you’re right, and it’s exactly what I spend my time on. Products build the foundation, but attention has to be earned.
On whether the treasury also funds engagement, community, marketing, and incentives, and not only development: yes. Growth is resourced as a priority, not an afterthought. I won’t put numbers on a forum, but this is not a case of building products in a vacuum and hoping people notice.
Last thing, and I mean it: I’d genuinely welcome more of your input on strategy and marketing. Community voices who think at this level are useful to us, and “review the marketing strategy with the same determination the development strategy was revised with” is a fair challenge. Keep the ideas coming.
Thank you again for the transparency, and for staying engaged.
Gaius_sama ![]()
Astar Foundation
Hi Gaius,thank you for the open and honest reply.I have a different vision regarding the strategic direction. I don’t believe that shifting the main focus to Ethereum and Base is the most effective choice at this moment. The competition on those networks is fierce and our resources are limited. It’s difficult to imagine our products standing out significantly in such a saturated environment.In my opinion, the more powerful path is another one: strengthening the internal ecosystem and turning it into our main competitive advantage. Instead of trying to be a grain of sand on the beach of Ethereum or Base, we should aim to become the beach itself.The real issue today is the narrative. There is a narrative for each piece of the Startale ecosystem, but there is no clear and strong unified vision perceived from the outside. There is no sense of unity of purpose.Each component (Astar, Soneium, Strium) should certainly maintain its own individual narrative and distinctive characteristics, but they must also share a strong common narrative.I believe the marketing and storytelling should strongly emphasize the synergy and unity of intent between Astar and the entire Startale ecosystem: a broad ecosystem made up of three blockchains, each with its own features and specific missions, but united by a common goal. The three chains should reinforce each other like the links of a single chain — if one is weak, it compromises the entire ecosystem. Today, the only way to invest in Startale is through ASTR, and this must be communicated clearly.Only by creating this perception of unity, synergy, and mutual reinforcement can we truly convey strength and ambition to the outside world.This visible synergy and shared narrative are, in my view, our real competitive advantage — far more effective than trying to compete on unequal terms on much larger chains, which currently seems utopian and dispersive.Thank you again for the conversation, it is greatly appreciated.
Hi Marroz, this is simply no true, I have to disagree with this characterization…
Sota has been quite clear in multiple interviews about the distinct trajectories of Astar and Soneium. Based on the pattern we’ve seen, I’m concerned that Startale may launch additional tokens in the future, which historically has led to developers capitalizing on initial hype while leaving long-term investors holding depreciated assets.
More importantly, I’d like to understand Maarten’s current role and contributions to Astar beyond what’s already publicly known. No post in months, no vision, no update…
Looking at the GitHub commit history over last 6 months (from v5.47.0), it appears that essentially one developer is actively maintaining the chain. This raises questions about team focus and resource allocation—particularly if the broader team is primarily engaged with Soneium and other initiatives like the stablecoin project.
To be fair, my previous statement wasn’t fully articulated, so let me clarify the core of the issue. Right now, Astar isn’t perceived as the main gateway to the Startale ecosystem simply because, factually, it isn’t. But there is a sharp line between technical reality and market narrative.
Look at Soneium: it doesn’t have a direct or exclusive link to a single Sony product, yet the global perception is clear: it is ‘Sony’s blockchain.’ Similarly, when we engaged with Toyota and other Japanese transport giants, those discussions didn’t immediately materialize into concrete commercial products. Yet, the narrative successfully established Astar as the number one reference blockchain in Japan. That is what marketing truly is: it’s not about selling smoke, but about amplifying a unique edge, selling a vision, and making people believe in the future. Products, contracts, and joint ventures are the substance—the ‘meat’—but the narrative is what captures the perceived potential of what we could become.
Sota’s vision is technically accurate: Astar, Soneium, and eventually Strium will have separate roles, unique goals, and distinct paths. However, my focus is on our marketing strategy, not Sota’s—especially since his public mentions of Astar can now be counted on one hand. While each chain pursues its own vertical objectives, there must be a single common thread connecting us. You cannot base a narrative purely on technical utility or individual products, especially in a market where thousands of competitors are doing the exact same thing. We need to sell an ambitious dream and a visionary future. Otherwise, explain to me: why should an investor or a developer choose Astar over all the others?"
You see, this developer aspect is also a crucial point, thanks for raising it. This is exactly what I was referring to in the past when I spoke about the importance of being independent.
It comes down to two scenarios, there is no way around it: either the team works for Astar and only for Astar, and at that point it makes sense to focus the narrative entirely on the single product; or, if this independence isn’t there and the team works for Startale and also on Astar, the strategy has to change radically. In this second case, the narrative must be built on total synergy and the entire big picture we outlined earlier. We cannot stay caught in the middle."
Hi @Marroz, @kebitorrent,
This is a good and important discussion, so let me step in and clarify a few things, because some of the disagreement rests on how Astar and Startale actually relate. Once that’s clear, the strategy questions get easier to answer.
Astar Foundation and Startale are not the same thing, and Astar is not a part of Startale.
We laid this out in detail here: The Astar Collective and its Contributors. The short version:
@kebitorrent, you’re actually right on this point: Sota has described Astar and Soneium as distinct trajectories, and that’s consistent with what I’m describing here. Sota remains Astar’s founder and part of the direction the Foundation proposes, but that direction is set as a collective, through Astar’s governance, not handed down by any single person or entity. How often any one person mentions Astar publicly isn’t the measure of commitment; the team, the governance, and the shipped work are.
This matters directly for one of Marroz’s points. The idea that “the only way to invest in Startale is through ASTR” is not a framing we can or should use, because it isn’t accurate. ASTR is the token of Astar. It is not a claim on Soneium, Strium, the Startale App, or anything else under Startale. Communicating it that way would mislead holders about what they actually own, and that’s the opposite of what we want. So while I understand the instinct to bundle everything into one big story, doing that would misrepresent ASTR, not strengthen it.
That said, @Marroz, your underlying point is fair and I won’t dodge it: Astar needs a sharper, more ambitious narrative, and that’s on us. Something I’m working on addressing. Where I’d push back is on the shape. The answer isn’t to position Astar as one chain inside a Startale bundle. It’s to tell Astar’s own story well: consumer finance onchain, starting from Japan, with ASTR at the center of the value it creates. You actually pointed at this yourself, if the team building Astar is Astar’s own, then telling Astar’s own story is the right move, not borrowing someone else’s.
On the engineering and “one developer on GitHub.”
I understand why that looks alarming, but it’s a visibility artifact, not the real picture. What’s public right now is the Astar L1 core repository, and L1 is deliberately in a stability and hardening phase, not a feature-expansion one. We’ve said so publicly: we’re cleaning up and securing the base layer, for example the WASM smart contract sunset and the runtime 2204 upgrade to slot-based AURA consensus for better fork resistance. A focused, stable core chain is supposed to look quiet on the surface; a base layer that needs constant churn is usually the more worrying sign.
The bulk of the Foundation’s engineering effort is on the products, AstarFi above all, plus the surfaces around it. Those repositories aren’t public yet, which is normal for pre-launch products, so that work simply isn’t visible in the L1 repo you’re looking at. The Foundation is a self-sufficient entity with its own end-to-end team across engineering, product, BD, marketing, finance, and community. There is a dedicated team on Astar.
That also answers Marroz’s “two scenarios” directly: it isn’t a case of the team working only for Startale, or being caught in the middle. The Foundation has its own people building Astar’s own products, while Startale contributes on infrastructure and technical work. Both are true at once.
On the worry about more tokens diluting holders.
I can’t speak for Startale’s own token decisions, those are theirs. But on the Astar side, the design is built to protect ASTR holders, not dilute them: Tokenomics 3.0 set a fixed maximum supply with decaying emissions, and the value-capture framework is meant to route ecosystem activity back into ASTR rather than spread it across new assets. ASTR remains the primary token. Any additional opportunity, including Burndrop, is built on top of ASTR, not a replacement for it or an exit from it.
On communication.
Maarten leads the Astar Foundation, that hasn’t changed, and the direction we’ve described is the vision the Foundation is championing for the ecosystem. The fair criticism here isn’t whether there’s a vision or a team; it’s how loudly we’ve communicated. You’re right that we’ve been too quiet on the forum, and these replies are part of fixing that. Hold us to it.
Keep this coming. This is exactly the kind of pressure that’s useful, and I’d rather have it in the open than not.
Gaius_sama ![]()
Astar Foundation
Hi Gaius , thanks for the clarifications. I don’t know in detail which narrative you’ll choose to adopt, but I’m aware that saying “ASTR is the only way to invest in Startale” is a forced and questionable statement. I fully understand why you don’t want to use it. That said, in my opinion it remains the most powerful narrative to pursue. I really appreciate your intellectual honesty. I hope the one you choose will be extremely engaging and convincing, not only for new users (both inside and outside the crypto world), but also for those already in the ASTR ecosystem. I believe it’s important to rekindle enthusiasm in the community, because I have the feeling that many members have lost faith in the project. The expectations — not just on price — were very different.
Hi gaius,I really wanted to stay on the original topic of this thread, but the time has come to be frank and speak openly from the heart.I’m taking the responsibility to express what I believe is the feeling of a large part of the community — many of whom, for various reasons, no longer speak publicly. If anyone disagrees with me, please don’t feel targeted by this message.You see Gaius, Burndrop is not just a mechanism to bring value to ASTR. For many of us, it represents above all an important opportunity to certify a real, concrete synergy between the various components of the Startale ecosystem.It’s true that I already congratulated you on the change of direction at the beginning of the year, and I confirm that. However, in hindsight, it looks more like a necessary awakening for survival than a real shared strategy for growth. Astar continues to appear as the last wheel of the ecosystem. The numbers, mentions, tweets, interviews, deals, and articles all show this clearly.This change of direction feels more like a stoic necessity for survival — as if we have to walk on our own because our “partner” barely acknowledges us. Even the founder, who still holds a role in the team, almost never mentions Astar, except for the occasional repost when announcing structural changes.In the community, the widespread conviction now is that Startale has essentially left us to our own fate.To avoid misunderstandings: we know perfectly well that Startale is a separate and distinct company from Astar. We are not asking for them to be the same entity. However, it is undeniable that Startale was born around Astar, that Astar has been for years the flagship project of the entire vision, and that a large part of the community invested time, resources, and trust based on the narrative of an integrated ecosystem (Astar + Sony + Startale). Reducing everything today to a simple “it’s just a technical partner” creates great disappointment and frustration in the community that has supported the project from the beginning.Recently, the joint venture with SBI was also added. Yet when Startale officially announced it almost a year ago, Astar didn’t see even the slightest positive reaction. The community understood that with SBI we will likely see the same pattern already experienced with Soneium: Astar pushed into the background. There is no real perspective of cooperation, there is no shared vision… and it’s missing because, evidently, it doesn’t exist.A announcement like that (Startale + SBI) should have made the entire crypto market speculate. Instead, nothing happened, because investors have realized that those who are building are systematically ignoring the infrastructure that holds the only listed and liquid token of the ecosystem. Without real cooperation, investors no longer believe and do not invest.Let’s speak clearly and without beating around the bush: beyond Burndrop, is this new direction for Astar (infrastructure for stablecoins, consumer finance, etc.) genuinely supported and considered strategic by the rest of the Startale ecosystem? Is Astar still seen as a central and important component of the common future, or has it effectively become a foreign body — useful if it works, but not essential?I believe the community deserves real and transparent clarity on this point, because a large part of our future commitment and trust depends on that answer.Thank you for reading until the end and for your willingness to engage in direct conversation.
Hi @Marroz,
I’ve read this one a few times before answering, because it deserves that. You’re not just making an argument, you’re putting words to something a lot of quieter holders are feeling, and I’d rather meet that honestly than tidy it away.
So I’ll start by saying I’m not going to tell you the feeling is wrong. The read that Astar has been “left to its own fate,” that the new direction looks more like stoic necessity than shared growth, that we’ve become the last wheel, that didn’t come from nowhere. It comes from real things: a brutal market, a stretch where we were too quiet, and a story once told as one integrated ecosystem that now looks more separated. “We’ve been left behind” is a reasonable conclusion to draw from the outside. What I can do is give you the part you can’t see from the outside, and be straight about where the boundaries are.
Is the synergy real, or is Astar just useful-if-it-works?
The most concrete answer I can give isn’t a narrative, it’s Burndrop, and it’s on the record. ASTR holders will be able to burn ASTR and receive future token(s) connected to the Startale ecosystem, with the objective of permanently reducing ASTR supply and increasing scarcity. That is, in your own words, a certification of synergy: a direct, mechanical link between holding ASTR and the wider ecosystem’s success. It’s opt-in, it rewards holding ASTR now, and it’s sequenced behind the right conditions. I won’t put a date on it, and the reason isn’t evasion: timing a voluntary-burn event for when it can actually mean something is the point. But “is there a real connection between ASTR and the broader ecosystem” has a concrete answer, and Burndrop is it.
Let me be precise about what that does and doesn’t mean. Two things are true at once: ASTR is the token of Astar, so it isn’t an automatic claim ticket on every separate thing Startale builds; and Burndrop is the specific, opt-in program where the connection between holding ASTR and the wider ecosystem is real, deliberate, and visible. Both hold, neither cancels the other.
On the “last wheel,” and the partner announcement ASTR didn’t react to.
You pointed at a big partner announcement that ASTR visibly didn’t move on, and I understand why that stung. But I’d turn it around, because it’s the most important strategic point in your message. An asset whose price only moves when someone else makes an announcement is renting its relevance, and that’s a fragile place to be. The entire point of the direction we’ve taken is to build so ASTR’s value comes from things we own and drive: our own products, our own users, and Burndrop on top of that. The independence you’re reading as abandonment is the thing I’m most deliberately choosing.
Is Astar still strategic, still central, or a foreign body?
Central, and I’ll give you both halves honestly. On the Astar side, the side I can speak for without hedging: there’s a dedicated, funded Foundation team building Astar’s own products, with ASTR designed to sit at the center of the value they create. This isn’t a project being quietly wound down, and it isn’t a holding pattern. ASTR is central by our own action and by design, not contingent on being anyone else’s top priority.
On the collaboration itself, I’ll be more forward than I was earlier in this thread: the work with Startale is active, not ceremonial. You can see it in Burndrop, in cross-chain ASTR, and in the shared technical and infrastructure work the chain runs on. Astar is a genuine part of the broader ecosystem’s build-out, not a leftover from it. The one line I won’t cross is narrating Startale’s internal roadmap for them, that’s theirs, not mine. But “we won’t speak for their roadmap” is a very different statement from “they’ve left us,” and I don’t want you to read the first as the second.
On the silence.
The fairest hit in your message is communication. We were too quiet, for too long, in exactly the stretch where you needed to hear from us, and that did more damage to faith than the market did. These replies are part of fixing it, but a handful of posts don’t undo months of silence; consistency does. So hold us to it, and keep pushing the way you have. You’re speaking for people who didn’t post, and the worst thing I could do is hand you a polished non-answer.
Thank you for staying, and for caring enough to write this.
Gaius_sama ![]()
Astar Foundation