Let me just make something clear before this goes any further. Leo is not able to use this fund because of being locked in EVM wallet. Locked funds in EVM are not able to be used in voting on the offchain platform.
I’m also wondering why all this negativity at the moment, everyone was able to participate in the community council application, yet a lot prefer to just provide criticism than actively joining the council to support Astar Foundation moving forward. As mentioned in another reply, it’s very easy to blame a protocol or individuals. I truly hope we can count on everyone moving forward.
Astar Foundation is here to support and drive ASTR forward! I’m very confident with our upcoming plans we will change things but we need community support
First and foremost, if you have complaints, you should run for candidacy. I would welcome that. It’s easy to criticize without exercising your own rights. I would also like us to reflect on the meaning of “democratic.” I believe the definition of democracy involves several elements.
All participants have the right to participate. In this context, the participants refer to ASTR holders.
The principle of majority rule applies. In traditional democracies, this often means one person, one vote. However, on the blockchain, ensuring one person, one vote is practically impossible without implementing human verification systems like Worldcoin. In this regard, the one-vote-per-token system is rational. If you are dissatisfied, there are other options, such as encouraging ASTR holders to vote.
Respect for minority opinions. The active exchange of diverse opinions on the forum demonstrates that we value and respect a wide range of perspectives.
I am also happy to learn more about what you think of your idea how to improve our voting.
So he cant bridge those funds to substrate? They are locked in evm with unlocking time greater than the voting period?
All this negativity is here because a bad actor is currently trying to hijack a position of power in an ecosystem he abused for over a year, sorry we didn’t think of running against him.
I and a few others see a candidate that we don’t agree with because of their actions and are voicing our concerns, telling us the only way we could fight this is by running against him and not by voicing questions in a public forum is just absurd.
Thats correct, also before the voting started there has been a snapshot taken of the chain. Only that snapshot is taken in consideration for this voting. So new wallets or move funds to more wallets to influence votes is not possible anymore.
Yes, directly translating democratic voting into Web3 is undeniably challenging, and at this stage, ensuring that voters are KYCed to guarantee a true “one person, one vote” system is impractical and maybe impossible at the moment.
However, just because this is the lesser of two evils, a choice between no voting system or one that whales can manipulate doesn’t mean we should accept or be content with it.
I agree with @Zorounashi that, at this early stage, on chain governance is highly susceptible to manipulation and could lead us down some very dark paths. Whether you implemented it now out of necessity or simply rushed it out the door, in my opinion, it was a mistake. You all remember Giotto and the chaos of DOT OpenGov. Do we really want to repeat that here with Faruk as the new Giotto?
As for what can be done at this point, one thing is clear: in the next and future elections, ensure that every candidate must first prove their REAL contributions to the ecosystem before being allowed to run.
Thats something Foundation will make sure, that’s why we implemented the Gov v1 and not the latest. The main council can always intervene if we feel something isn’t right for the good of Astar. We have learned a lot from messed up things happening in Polkadot and I’ll make it my mission to not have this on Astar Network.
Real world democracy is therefore superior to blockchain-backed democracy, because it is fairer? I thought I understood that blockchain could serve to improve it, not to create a more pyramidal system than the one that surrounds us every day.
It is not a simple process, but if in the last 2 years you had surrounded yourself with real development teams and had based everything on sincere and controlled interaction, without economic interests or double roles and double standards, today you would have an imperfect system in the same way but certainly better than the one you have and without complaints as you say.
Furthermore, you say that the worldcoin system cannot be a reference and that tokens are uncontrollable, but in the transition from v2 to v3 you did nothing but implement in a, let me say even despotic way exactly what governments do, always for the purpose of an economic interest (more tokens burned, greater potential value of tokens), so as you can see there are different shades of the question.
Respect, understood as you can write whatever you want, but then 10 people with 20 million astar each decide when to vote, is irrelevant, like when Roman senators organized games at the Circus Maximus to keep the population under control.
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the difference between them and us is that they didn’t really foresee the popular vote, we did. But users don’t know the way to the polls and they don’t know anything about you, Maarten, Leo and everything related to dappstaking for example. How are you pushing to get the real votes? That’s the question, today they are not there.
I hope you also learn all the negative things that happened in the last 2 years right here on astar, it seems and this is a suggestion that you are replicating many wrong attitudes of presumption, already seen as you said on polkadot. It is easy to talk about things that happened elsewhere, I hope you find the strength to do it also for your own mistakes.
Thank you for being the voice of reason throughout this entire debacle. Please continue to be the guardian the Astar ecosystem needs. Don’t let it fall into the hands of fleeting, ego driven people and behaviors that care more about the individual than the whole.
I think the model chosen for governance is the most appropriate for the current state of the Astar community. Even if there are 6 roles, Astar Foundation will always have superior control over the most critical decisions.
All in all I don’t understand why Leo’s candidacy is passed off as a given, as he has several million tokens, other whales or team members could have them and could simply vote against it.
Returning to the GOV1 issue, I believe it is in an initial state and having these discussions can benefit a more suitable construction for the management of Astar, avoiding repeating the mistakes seen on Polkadot.
Initially, I didn’t want to propose delisting his app, as stated in the introduction of the community council’s guidelines: “The Council can unregister a dApp from dApp staking if necessary. A 4/5 majority agreement is required for additional scrutiny and consensus.”
However, after everything that’s unfolded, It’s time to delist the Neurolounch dApp. You have to stop the bleeding before it spreads too far, or it will be too late to save what’s left.
I’m calling on the council to take action and do what’s right. We need to protect the integrity of our Astar and Soneium community.
