I understand that normally the answer should be to be much more careful when handling your funds.
Nonetheless, I always try to see the glass as half full and I hope that this loss serves as a lesson for the future 
Since you mentioned that the loss has a high impact, I vote YES for this proposal 
I’m sorry to hear about what happened.
However, I voted no.
If this issue had been approved, it would mean that in the future, any similar occurrences would have to be handled in the same way.
I believe there was no malice in this particular case, but if the vote had passed, it might set a precedent for others to exploit the situation with malicious intent.
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Unfortunately, I voted no.
This matter was probably an accident. However, even though it is likely an account with no owner, it is unacceptable for funds to be transferred in governance.
This should be avoided as much as possible, even if it has a serious impact on us as a network; remember the Ethereum hard fork?
Who would want to use a network where funds can be transferred without permission if governance allows it? We must avoid becoming such a network because we cannot trust a system that operates on human judgment and good intentions.
Also, let’s say we allow this case to go forward. Perhaps many people who have had similar experiences or who have bad intentions will come up with similar suggestions. This would create vulnerability as a network.
In a sense, the bad part of web3 has come out in this case, but unfortunately, we have no choice but to tolerate this situation at this time.
We are still early adopters and must protect ourselves.
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It is a rather complex situation, at the user level, I understand the frustration, at the protocol level, I understand the responsibility. May consensus win.
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The Astar Network community is important to us. However, it’s also important to embrace the web3 philosophy. Personally, I believe in being honest, so my stance is Yes. Therefore, I’ll cast my vote in favor. Nevertheless, I respect and likely agree with my friends who may vote No due to their adherence to the web3 philosophy.
Thank you.
I am very sorry for the loss of your funds, but as everything is a chain, I see it difficult to reverse this instead of bringing confidence to the system I think it could be interpreted by the community as a manipulative action by the core team and lose the confidence gained so far.
One of the qualities of blockchain is that it is not governed by anyone, the council exists but for organizational and development issues, not to reverse transactions in past blocks.
I am really sorry for what happened, I am with you from my heart brother, but there are higher interests like the ones I mentioned that instead of helping can damage the image of Astar.
I am not native for English. So I can’t understand English and its background well.
You are not native for crypto. So You can’t understand why people don’t help you.
It’s hard to explain why?
In this world, Only “Code is law”.
We accept GOX and Hacking etc as is.
Sorry about it. But It’s natural law in crypto. Even if you don’t understand well.
For those members who have been voting, please consider your decision further.
Even the kindest and most careful people can have an unexpected accident and if it hurts them greatly, do you think it’s really worth it for them?
If you are afraid of setting a precedent, whether good or bad, and refuse to help, it is not like you are a military doctor who refuses to treat victims because you suspect that among of them are your enemies?
In the Moonbeam ecosystem, even if a user accidentally transfers money to a stateless smart contract and that money goes to an address with another user, the community and their developers are still very active in communicating with the recipient and act as an intermediary to help restore the user’s money that was mistakenly transferred
In my opinion web3 does not mean that people always have to bear all the problems themselves and refuse to help each other. If you are a good and honest person you deserve better results. If you think like me, I think our Astar community will grow stronger and stronger than ever because we always protect and support each other.
Dear @Son-Pham ,
- The tweet and the event happened on Moonbeam, for me, it is a different case than yours. In that case, it was able to find the recipient, so the fund was able to be sent back to the one made mistake.
- From your transfer history on your wallet address, it seemed to happen during your XCM transfers (Subscan | Aggregate Substrate ecological network high-precision Web3 explorer), which were performed frequently if I am not mistaken. It could happen when putting the address something else than the one you typically used.
- Curious if there was any reason to begin with XCM transfers on Astar roughly from three weeks ago, though it is not at all relevent to the topic here…
I do not think that you post your proposal here to get criticized, but it is always good to double-check before sending assets to another address. Personally, I am sorry to see the current situation and hope you get recovered soon…
Bests,
Pithecus
Agreed that everybody needs to be careful with their decisions. Sorry for you mate, but voted no.
Of course, no two cases are exactly the same, but what every case I’ve given has in common is that the developer and community of each case were supportive from the start. In the case of Astar, I did not receive that, I spent a lot of effort to write the proposal myself. For a regular user, I learned many more things to prove that the fund is mine and the receiver address does not belong to anyone. Anyway, thank you very much for your honest feedback. I dont think you are a “milatary doctor” i wrote above
Sorry for your loss mate. Agreed with the other members that everyone needs to be careful. I voted no, sorry.
Pitcoin voted Nay on this proposal.
Hi @Gaius_sama. Are all votes equal between the council and the ambassadors?
I would really like to know the council’s opinion on this matter.
I think everyone can vote ? I voted for yes looking from the user point of view…
But i do understand on protocol point of view as well. Cos it may set a certain precedent…
Unfortunately, i had to vote against it. This could set a precedent for blockchain governance. Imagine if everyone who makes a mistake looks to proposals like this to reverse transactions. The reliability of the blockchain could be compromised, and we might face significant criticism.
We’ve all made mistakes, and it’s often a painful learning experience. It’s not easy to say, but take it as a lesson, and undoubtedly, you’ll recover much more than what was lost.
The Council includes members of the core team, ecosystem agents (ambassadors) and community users with a minimum trust level of 2 on this forum.
Voted No.
I already said on the Discord, also please keep in mind that “self custody” means you are fully responsible for sending/receiving your own assets.
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Error is human and if we want to have a day a mass adoption, we should allow to revert the mistake when it’s possible. I voted yes.
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Astar network is receiving public attention and has many competitive advantages, and to attract more users, I think the first thing to do is to create peace of mind for users when using the network. Below I will give the pros and cons of this proposal
Pros:
- does not harm any users
- provides an additional layer of security for users, as new users will inevitably encounter similar problems
- makes users feel secure when using the network, thus attracting many new users to the network → creating network effect
- create different communities for better network governance → decentralize Astar network
Cons: - creates a precedent for bad actors to exploit → but with a well-managed network this will be minimized, I think we should not avoid this because like you will in home for life because there is a chance of an accident happening when going out
In my opinion, Web3 does not mean no governance, and self-custody does not mean self-responsibility if there is any loss, every change does not have to be a hard-fork. Web3 is about community, and if we live in a community, why not get help if it’s legal? That is the reason Polkadot network was born, with Opengov and forkless upgrade to adapt to the times, we should not cling to what is outdated and refuse to innovate our way of thinking, and surely that is also the reason Astar network is a parachain on Polkadot.
Stop saying common words that don’t help the other person, like when you see someone else depressed and say: “please be happy”. Put yourself in that person’s shoes, and I think they’ll be happier if you say, “Is there anything I can do to cheer you up?” from you.
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