Which ones do you think are currently active on Astar, supported or not by dapp staking that would deserve to be present also on Soneiun and why? I would like to discuss with all of you. What surprised you the most?
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I think both liquid staking dApps (Algem,Neemo) are quite interesting for Soneium and Astar connection. If a Soneium dApp wants to participate indirectly to the dApp staking system (or offer this service to new users of Soneium) this presence on both networks can be really interesting imo.
If we think about the rest of the ecosystem it may became harder to find something unique cause we will have existing DEXes on Someium(basically all the Spark program winners) which are developed with the all recent DEX standards (vetoken model, meme launcher or else) so probably Arthswap and the rest of DeFi will need to improve.
Speaking about NFTs/gaming it’s even harder without a strong community base so I’m curious to see what dApps like Astar Degens , ApeXchimpz , Sonova , Metadomo , DeStore ,HAHA , Neet and many more will do at the launch of the mainnet.
If You want to speak about a specific dApp feel free to share your thoughts and opinion cause I think this topic is quite interesting.
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I agree with everything. But why do you think the level of dapps on Astar is so low for the majority? Going back to the other thread where we discussed, for me a lot depends on a lack of control that leads to an adjustment to low quality standards. For me, millions of funds should also be unlocked for those who really deserve it, while those who do nothing or do not add value should be excluded today. We are witnessing a community tip, and this is not advantageous for Astar even on a marketing level. I fully agree with the dapps you mentioned. The lack of a game with real web3 logic after years of dapp staking support, given that we are talking about Sony, is really disappointing
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Here again it only reinforces the questioning of a large part of the community, mainly Brazilian, that countless dapps and apps that are lost and do not deliver, and need to strive to improve, are doomed to failure.
I firmly believe that this comes from every FOMO moment, the previous cycle was a copy and paste of everything and even Astar in the absence of blockchain developers or interested teams has listed dApps to have DeFi and other products. The problem lies in the speculative side of blockchain technologies, it is a fact that many other ecosystems and chains have stopped developing during the bear market and have become inactive.
Speaking of Astar I firmly believe that during the last bear market the team has continued to build connections, solutions, products and interest around the unique model of dApp staking and this time (thanks also to the collaboration with Sony Labs) can bring teams that develop serious and useful products to the Astar community. I don’t know if you have tried the Minato (Soneium) testnet but most of them offer excellent experiences for DeFi, Gaming and Social users with the ASTR token as the main asset.
I might disagree here, as mentioned in the other thread if the dApp doesn’t deliver the natural process is to move to T4 or even lower, then the dApp won’t get any support.
I can agree that it’s still controllable at the moment, Devs can keep the tokens and put them on themselves in the B&E phase to continue taking rewards by reaching T4 or T3.
The more the community grows the more interest comes and I think we will see a lot of interest at the Soneium mainnet launch (1700 applications to the Soneium Spark program in 3 weeks…)
By saying this I mean that even if you have not entered Eco Soneium having such a strong connection with Astar and seeing the unique model of dApp staking I believe that many can apply to participate in dApp staking.
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I generally agree with VasaKing.
Most of the dApps are copy-and-paste dApps and not unique; Algem and Neemo are applications that take advantage of Astar’s unique dApp Staking feature and are therefore worthy enough to be extended to Soneium.
The other dApps are not unique and are not as appealing as the latest dApps that were touched during the LFGM campaign. As for ArthSwap, they said they would release it as soon as the development of Wasm DEX was finished and Polkadot (Parity) was ready, but I am not sure what is happening now, and it is not related to Soneium.
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So it’s not useful share “we have 1700 submission to Soneiun”.
endorsing a corrupt system managed by a few, to have the numbers to show, and then complain about the low quality is a contradiction. Currently there is only one truth, unfortunately the current state of things is convenient for the team.
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We are only saying that we received 1,700 applications, so it is up to the recipient of the information to find meaning in that. I think it is true that the campaign has received a large number of applications and that it is generating a certain amount of interest from developers.
However, we do not know if all of those projects are good. I think there are a handful of promising projects out of the dozen, but since we don’t know what they are, we can only guess.
What matters are the facts, because the truth varies from person to person, and with regard to Soneium Spark, right now we only have the facts in numbers.
In this situation we mention the 1700 applications only to underline the results achieved thanks to the latest efforts of Startale.
Even if not everyone will choose to develop on Soneium, the Astar blockchain remains an interesting choice for developers. I believe that we will see more and more new dApps arriving in the coming months which brings us to the discussion if you do not develop you go below T4 and consequently get 0 rewards.
I believe in a shared public opinion and I would like to ask you who in your opinion are these few who decide everything. @Zorounashi
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for me trivially you also decide negatively. Let me explain better, for me instead of arguing about every single problem giving the benefit of the doubt to both the dopp and the core team for wrong ideas, I would focus on doing what I told you above. control, control, control. numbers and data in hand and we would all be much more relaxed. Then there are Ambassadors with a double role and we see that the only discussion here has been abandoned without any response. Because it is convenient for many.
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Again we need to agree with @Zorounashi, Clarity in information is what everyone expects. Why self-promote a significant quantity, when it does not add value, there is no real delivery, there is not yet a quality product with real use being used. Once again, as is clear here, what exists is excessive promotion.
As is clear with so much publicity via Twitter with nothing real to show.
Isn’t that simply because once the call for applications is closed, the only thing that can be done is to announce the number of applications?
This is probably what the organizers of all similar campaigns would do. However, in the case of Soneium Spark, the numbers were so large that I think you guys are particularly concerned. Frankly, I think you are overreacting.
After the call was closed, the nearly 30 winning projects went public. And of course, this will only actually launch once Soneium launches. In other words, there will be nothing more that can be done in its current state.
By the way, talking about Soneium Spark should not be the main topic of this thread.
Soneium Spark is not directly related to Astar, so there is little point in talking about it here; it would be better to talk about it on the Soneium Discord.
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We are not exaggerating, personally I am not against the core team, I am just saying that the dapps on astar are all ridiculous after 2 years of well-paid funding, we are talking about millions… If the core team had centralized the process (we all consider centralization bad eh…) and had given these funds to 2-3 high-level teams to complete 2-3 dapps between dex, games, and various tools TODAY WE WOULD HAVE HAD GREATER VALUE AND USE OF THE NETWORK.
Marketing is also needed, but as always in this world everything must be balanced, excessive exposure on one side or the other (being strictly tied to the build aspect without being seen and noticed is equally negative) is not positive.
These are suggestions, the team is one of the most competent in the sector, we need to improve and discuss and check… it doesn’t take much, the limits that exist today are due exclusively to economic interests that for some are not good when they are touched.
The management of astar dapp staking is pyramidal. Take note, it is a fake decentralization, then at that point I repeat, I would have preferred there to have been direct investments, with contracts on timing and binding milestones.
The way to support projects in soneium will definitely be better than what we are seeing on astar dappstaking, we are sure of that
Yes, I agree that many Astar dApps are failing.
With the recently announced Astar Evolution 1.5, it will be possible to use Community Treasury funds to support specific dApps (it has been possible before, but was based on applying UCG). This is a good opportunity for Astar to consider investing in projects that are useful to Astar.
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Based on our Discourse flagging system, we received a warning that your accounts are linked. I’m not accusing anyone, but it would be great if you could showcase that the system is broken.
Best regards
Maarten
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It’s nice to see that you too are fossilized on the wrong side of things. Instead of accepting all the reports, you give a consolation to the Ambassadors who come to whine to you, instead of doing their job Honestly. What’s the problem with the existence of my account? reporting everything indiscriminately? Is it damaging to Astar? I don’t think so. Don’t you want to create bad feelings in a community based on the mutual scam of a few people and corrupt Ambassadors? You can do it, the choice is yours. You can also change things though. Read the messages (I also tagged you but apparently it’s not necessary) and tell me where the problem is in what I wrote and your haste in writing this thing. The two accounts are not related, the SFY team does not share all my opinions, that’s why I created this new account. The only thing shared is the failure of the proposal made by me of AOC here, and I also personally suffered the consequences. You can move on now. Can I continue to write and post info on all the dapps I want or am I so annoying that I have to bother your intelligence? Let me know, if you want you can also ban my account, actually tell me right now so I can delete it directly. so you can pin another star of merit on how to manage a community decentrally and fairly.
PS the community is really rotten and so is dappstaking, otherwise you wouldn’t have thought of changing them with this new update, which if you want my opinion, is starting to make a lot more sense, I approve.
Thanks for your message @Zorounashi
I will not reply on the message itself because your perception is different than mine and I don’t agree on some of the things you are pointing. The only thing I can say as part of Astar Foundation is that we are changing our path and structure with the upcoming governance.
As you know, Astar Foundation is to stay neutral towards certain areas, and this is where we expect the community to act on things we can’t do from our position (legal). I see a lot of your comments, but nothing is holding you back from proposing, creating a good proposal, and acting in good faith for the Astar community.
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You are not NEUTRAL and this comment proves it. What is the purpose of what you write? to get me banned and put me in a bad light. I am doing what those you and the team have delegated have not done for two years. There are negative and positive comments of mine on various dapps. Stirring up the hornet’s nest is annoying, right? I am proposing a lot of things, on VLS for example I proposed, There was an almost scam and I proposed what to do. Have you or the ambassadors made a decision on the matter? On Skylab I reported the figures and the lack of development that there is after more than a year of support. On XCHimpz the same, on Haha the same (and I read the development after on their telegram), others after like Neet do an impeccable job instead. Where is the problem with my figure? You are fine with financing a team for 50-100k in a year and receiving nothing in return, absolutely nothing. Aren’t these Astar funds that are wasted and that perhaps more deserving teams but who didn’t have the right support, should have received?
Only 1 system is broken dear Marteen.
This is what SFY Labs has built in a short time: AGE OF CHRONOS : dApp Staking proposal - #109 by SFY_Labs
There could be a lot of discussion if it was possible to do this on Astar too.
@Zorounashi is totally right about everything, it can hurt for many teams and ambassador delegates who after 2 years of dappstaking have not been able to control their correct help to the community by fossilizing on topics like “it is right that you earn 95% less than a dapp that has few astars more than you in the ranking” because this is what the rule says. But no one follows the rules of remote control of more than 1 year, no one gives a prize to teams that deserve support like us or many others (because there are many who work well).
Double roles and double standards, Zorounashi writes a message arguing correctly and the problem is immediately moved to something else.
If you as a Core Team intend to keep ambassadors and the people who matter to you close, you could simply pay them more instead of putting them in charge of a system that does not protect everyone equally. You are not free from blame and the core team is not free from blame, even just for choosing the people to trust.