We are 23 but most of us are well prepared and know what we are talking about, we have experts in all areas within those 23. Good Luck!
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Itās not an accusation, we didnāt write 23 āincapableā. we are sure you are very prepared and experienced. (among the 23 votes is ours). 23 votes remain. just math. do not be angryš
i respect that you wanna build a good game, but just dont burn the bridge to your old mates/company
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hi, what did we say wrong? The only ones who have not been respected for months are all those who work for SFY Labs, I think there is no doubt about this. We voted for the delist. we will inform all stalkers of this and the processes we have learned about these months. (which we donāt agree with). The people here are all very competent as we have already said.
This is perhaps the first time Iām writing something on a thread instead of merely being a thread reader. I first discovered SFY Labs through your StickyFactory of 10 CyberBeast NFTs. The collection was impressive, and I think it was a great starting point for your migration to the Astar Network. I shared the collection with my local community, and I remember the first two NFTs raised a total of 32k+ $ASTR, which was equivalent to 3.2k USD back then. Your professionalism in artwork and development is undeniable. Thank you for the contributions youāve made so far.
Iāve often wanted to contribute to the debates and discussions but was hesitant about what and how to say it. Now, although it feels a bit late, I believe itās time to share my thoughts. Iām sure Iām not the only one who has felt this way, wanting to participate but unable to find the right words.
While I try to avoid stirring any controversy, I have two user experiences to share as a community member, which I should have shared earlier:
- Your NFT collections are of high quality and have significant potential utilities, which I personally appreciate. However, I believe the minting price could have been adjusted a bit lower to encourage more participation. For instance, the Saurus Crew, with 200 Twitter followers, had a minting price of 2000 $ASTR in early 2023. Holders of these NFTs might have expected their NFTs to be used in games or other applications in near future. If such developments have been delivered or beta versions released, then there could have been more users and momentum. Please correct me if any information here should be corrected. And if so, my sincerely apologies.
- Regarding the dApp staking reward list, the highest reward required staking 15M $ASTR for 6 months or 30M $ASTR for 3 months. Some potential stakers might have been hesitant to commit to such high thresholds, especially with AoC still in development. They might have perceived fewer benefits from staking to be eligible for rewards like the Saurus Crew, Donkey Gang, and eventually The Great Architect.
It is unfortunate to see how these promising developments and relationships are heading to an end. There could have been better ways to handle this transition even to another parachain. However, whatās done is done and irreversible. I wish SFY Labs success in your next journey and hope to see you again in the future!
Thank you for your time and dedication.
The Astar Network dApp staking structure has led many projects to prefer the Astar network within the Polkadot ecosystem.
As one of the most experienced individuals here, I can say that this is a developer and community-based program. It is not solely for developers. This is precisely the greatest advantage of Astar.
To be honest, the higher rewards offered in the dApp staking v2 structure have significantly contributed to the projects. With v3, this has been balanced. Is v3 sufficient? Unfortunately, it is only sufficient to a certain extent. The important point here is that projects need to create their own communities while leveraging the advantages of dApp staking.
Because a dApp does not contribute to the network unless it is used by users. Therefore, I believe the current system is misunderstood by projects.
I can say that I am very saddened by the removal of Age of Chronos. However, I am strict regarding Moonbeam. It was nice meeting you, valuable people.
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Thanks @Leo for your nice worlds. Appreciated
just a clarification about this:
Balanced for some dapp.
For us is a -95% so not balanced at all. Our community from v2 to v3 increase to 300% astar staked 5 milion to 14.9 milion.
We create a community, also because we already had one, being among the first artists to have created Nfts 3 years ago in dotsama. As we remember, some Ambassadors in Astar did not yet know Astar when we started collaborating with them. So in the transition from v2 to v3 we did everything necessary to increase visibility and exposure. This wasnāt enough for the arbitrary range set by 1 person (from what I read) and voted on by a few others. There are more than 200 stakers who will not have the right to have their project supported and this is no more fair to them than to us.
Thanks for the support you give us, you was one of the few people here that understand what we worked on and how much the lack of support affected our choices. We are also very honest in saying that the move to Moonbeam rightly leads to our delist, we voted too. However, after this unpleasant situation we evaluated ALL the processes that lead to dapp staking and the interactions that lead developers, as you were saying, to choose Astar to develop. Today everything is sensationally centralized and the choices are made by a few and there is no dialogue with those who bring or should bring development to your chain. When we say 23 people voted like this, it is not to make fun of them, it is to underline that we are not stupid and those who prosecute for the sake of astar will have to change and also very quickly. the transition from v2 to v3 as well as problems for Astar has led to a mathematical disincentive to develop on it, this is quantifiable and calculable. So if the focus of dapp staking is important then you are doing it wrong. if it isnāt then itās not even worth discussing.
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Move on dudeā¦ Messing numbers and data around is pointless, man.
You are blaming 23 people who showed to vote, but itās the same community of 28 people which approved you months ago (your arguments makes no sense at all).
You could have engaged your community (206 stakers) to support, they could vote no to delistā¦ all users need is level 2 on Forumā¦ easy enough for active users (:
Good luck on Moonbeam
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You know why we insist and why we ādonāt move forwardā. we also voted for the delist, so donāt try to make people think that we are fighting for what is convenient for you!
Ditto for our listing. it is a wrong process, and for the delist it does not take into account what the team has built. At least for the listing you start from 0 with the community, the vote of a few people may be normal. But for the delist you have to consider onchain numbers.
The dapp staking processes are shameful, we have wasted resources for months and we have been treated like the last arrived, without respect and forced to change just because a few people like you have decided not to address a real problem that is there for all to see.
Few people only because it was decided that interactions to make decisions should pass through the forum exclusively with people of a certain level. So donāt say that we should have brought 200 people to vote, they couldnāt have done it and then as I already told you, it wasnāt in our interest. No dapp brings all of its stakers to the forum, simply because itās impossible. Activate onchain voting on the portal and weāll talk about itā¦
but thatās not the point anyway, the forum is made for discussing, go ahead and say that we blame 23 people for the vote, this is clearly not true, but you are not the first, there are also Ambassadors who, to āmove forwardā and avoid talking about the problem we have had by addressing it, say that we are toxic and that we are offending others.
Have you read the forum discussions in the last month? If you think we are the problem, why have other teams with exactly all the problems we reported also complained?
the truth is this:
Dapp staking is rotten, it rewards few teams not only based on merit, ucg cannot adapt to it and is unusable, all voting processes are rotten, and the interactions to get to the resolution of these problems do not reflect the principle of decentralization.
You should be much more professional, instead of trying to discredit us, you should address the problems by giving equal importance to the system and to those who are part of it by developing, because the latter, unlike you, have put their work on the line.
This concept may be difficult to understand, but Astar has attracted developers with promises that other teams didnāt or couldnāt deliver. Then changed the system because it was unsustainable. To me it seems like a marketing operation rather than an operation aimed at growing the network with developers and consequently more onchain transactions.
If this were not the case and the system is truly innovative, it cannot be explained why teams like ours have found greater āconfidenceā in developing through classic Grants on moonbeam, and why, what you pretend not to see, the dapp listing processes have SIGNIFICANTLY decreased in recent months. Very strangeš¤·
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Hey @pithecus Sorry for the late reply, I completely missed it.
Thank you for the compliments on our work, much appreciated.
- The saurus Crew were a job done exactly to start creating nfts on the astar network. The thing that is missing is that we have led our community of Donkey Gang holders to receive a different number of saurus for FREE in relation to their Donkey Power (a sort of NFT rarity). This was at the initial invitation of the Astar team who wanted artists and creators of nfts collections to join the system. We were very happy with this, and I must say that the team also helped us in creating custom smart contracts for them. The mint price was around $60 at the time. We create everything by hand and in 3D, they are unique designs. The saurus were not a collection left to itself, the idea was to integrate them into age of chronos by using them as āexpedition petsā. In any case, 80% of the collection has been airdropped and our donkey holders have begun to experiment with using the astar network. There were many problems, an inadequate marketplace, lack of traction (we are talking about 2021-2022) and the market was in full bear market, but we did not want to ignore the Astar team, we were committed and received adequate technical support for this . We also collaborated with Astar Degen to promote it and airdropped to their community as well.
With age Of Chronos we have migrated the collection to evm making it adaptable to the rmrk protocol, therefore also ready to become 2.0 equipable.
We have always appreciated the support of the astar team, and we have given our support in turn, for numerous things, including the 2022 events in which they participated by exhibiting our art. In that period without incentives few artists lied about Astar. We had our community that was used to the Singular marketplace and few knew how to use an EVM network. We have been and still are investors in Astar, our doubts concern exclusively the current management of dappstaking and the management of the community which in our opinion is extremely centralised. WE HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ON THE TECHNOLOGICAL SIDE ABOUT WHAT THE TEAM IS CREATING, indeed we are very happy as investors regarding the large burn they have decided to adopt, but as developers we bring a different experience.
The difference between Age Of Chronos and other projects weāve done in the past is essentially that our team had to hire game devs and blockchain devs. If before we were able to accept all our work as a personal investment, with Age of Chronos we have moved on to accepting the rules of dappstaking v2 because it allowed us to do the same by expanding our team.
Before doing this we consulted the astar team, asked for precise indications on dappstaking and did all our calculations. We have never written more than necessary on this forum. We were not notified of the change in dappstaking, despite our high financial commitment in creating this new project. After a few months they just told us ādo more marketingā. The more users you attract, the more active your dapp will be and the more you can earn. This was not true, and it is useless to repeat this story too, you can find everything written above.
- This is absolutely not true. Or maybe you misunderstood.
There were few prizes with a very high stake level, but they were very special things. We would have created physical artwork and nfts given in exchange was a donkey god, the donkey gods were purchased by users for very high prices, albeit in a different market (late 2021).
Then there were an infinite number of rewards that started from just 5000 astar and went up. We have already distributed many of them. We have created a tool for distributing (in case we managed to earn a decent amount of astar) also part of our rewards. So we did some very aggressive marketing and this still helped triple our numbers compared to v2. The problem is that we were the unluckiest dapp of all and the one most punished by a system that provided tiers established without any sense. We suffered a 95% loss, shared tiers with someone who had 15 times less than us and not earned as much as someone who had very few more stars than us, about 12.5 times less due to a purely arbitrary decision. We have already discussed it here too, so there is no need to repeat ourselves.
Thank you again for your compliments on our work, if you have any further questions we are available
The team are moving on dude and even voted to delist themselves if you read their postsā¦yet all their valid points and constructive criticism raised are still ignored by you / everyone for discussion.
What they are basically providing now is exit feedbackā¦consider them the canary in the coal-mine as they wonāt be the last team to exit for the same reasons.
This feedback is invaluable to critical thinkers who want to improve their product offeringā¦i do hope someone from the core team is taking note of this thread because itās pointless otherwise it seems.
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Ps: We will continue to grant the nfts airdrop even after the delist based on how many astars have been staked by users. I think this is not trivial, and probably not necessary, given the lack of support and all the damage received, but we will do it anyway out of respect for the stakers. Furthermore, I would like to specify that with Age Of Chronos we had also started the sale of incubators for game characters, we stopped everything AND REFUNDED EVERYTHING, suffering a huge loss. Sold at 4-5 cents and refunded with astar at 0.1$, therefore more than double (we had to use the few funds received from dappstaking).
Exactly, furthermore if things were to change, we do not rule out returning to developing on Astar in the future. Today it is truly impossible, but this is not just us saying this. If we were to create a simple nfts collection, there would be no problems. The problem is that our project has been presented in detail, and it is not feasible on Astar under these conditions, while it is possible on Moonbeam.
We donāt hold a grudge against anyone, but we feel like sharing everything that led to this impossibility and others are doing the same. When we told you about the uselessness of the UCG, for example, many said that we had deliberately chosen not to use it. Instead we simply understood that it was practically useless given how the tier levels worked, and that we would have unnecessarily worked harder to receive the same type of support. This has been revealed by other teams, and in fact there is a post reconsidering it.
The team is taking notice, they have built a fantastic ecosystem, we are aware that things cannot always be perfect and there are inevitable growth processes.
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Age of Chronos has been unregistered from dApp Staking as requested by the community.
Good luck with your plans. You can still apply to dApp Staking again if you wish in the future.
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thank you, if things change, perhaps in the future or with different projects.
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