In general, for what the distribution of Shiden to them? did you not think that it was not fair in relation to investors in Shiden, I wrote you a lot about it on Twitter and now it turned into a problem!
Here we are looking at all the feedbacks and we have to consider all of them.
At the lockdrop time ETH was around $400, by now it has made 10x+.
Sounds like a solid strategy: these guys have already earned (underperforming though), so letās screw them up, especially if they are not the funds, no legal aftermath, no legal actions.
Of course, the newcomers are happy with rug pulling the lockdropers. Thatās so appealing to grab their profit and share it between the others stating that they are responsible for the low gains of the majority. There are examples from the human history that this kind of strategy does not work in the long term.
Overall, these uncertainties and inconsistency are ruining all the trust to the project.
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I havenāt seen this idea being promoted by Mr. Watanabe.
Wellā¦ I would suggest a short vestingā¦ not a long oneā¦ maybe a 6mths.
Unless everyone wants to take a risk of astar being dumped atā¦ then we should just let go of all the tokensā¦ and build the pricing again after the dumpā¦
I donāt recommend for too long of a vestingā¦ cos its already a change of condition. Thus, it doesnāt really sit well ā¦ reputation might be at hand.
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Also another suggestion will really be reward those who support the team and project.
Tbh eth lockdrop didnāt support the team in anyway. In the first place, they may not believe in the teamā¦ but just as a means to gain more coins so that they can sell later.
Sp I guess got to really reward those that support teh team thru crowdloansā¦ or even buying the tokensā¦
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yeah, we are collecting numbers now.
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The lockdrop endowed the project with trust, valuability and community growth. If the team had needed money, they could have performed a token sale, people would have taken part in it. They decided to make a lockdrop. It sounds strange to blame the participants for that.
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you think investors they lock ETH 1000 days just to
when the project was still on the table they believed in the projectā¦ in the past 1.5 years, they even spared no praise even when they witnessed the parachain speculation at the beginning of December 2020, but it will not take place until 1 year laterā¦
Some more you can be sure in June 2023 when eth opens it will stay at this price or go back to 350ā¦ (current eth profit is just virtual profit)ā¦
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Both lockdroppers and crowdloaners are contributing to the project. Hence, we have to find a balance here. Considering this project is going to be DAO, a discussion like this matters a lot. Hearing the opinion of everyone is very important.
Lockdroppers were very early bird. They risked smaller capital but bigger risk in terms of being early. Lockdroppers is proof that the project existed and has got reputation long time ago.
Crowdloaners came later after the project has achieved many milestones including seven Web3 grants. So, in a way, less risk. But, without crowdloaners, the project cannot win the parachain. We need crowdloaners to loan their DOT so that we can win the parachain slot.
The opinion of both sides are both important. We just need to find a balance where both parties can live happily.
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Then if thatās the caseā¦ then just let them dump whateverā¦ then we just pick up from thereā¦
I guess the team didnāt expect that the lockdrop only believe in astar and not shidenā¦ thus giving them free shiden is a mistakeā¦
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I trust core team to make the desicion about the lock for Lockdrop participants. I am personaly participate the Lockdrop and I trust Sota and team. All participants got additional token - Shiden. And now you are asking for more and more. What a shame ! You show yourself as greedy and silly people.
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AstarNetwork discuss vesting for Lockdrop participants for ETHā¦
WatanabeSota you may have forgotten, but we were among the first to believe in the project and have already been waiting for 1.5 years. Maybe this is more than enough vesting?
We understand what caused the desire to impose vesting on lockdrop token holders.
Perhaps in the case of additional vesting, which was not originally included in the lockdrop catch, it would be fair to unlock our ETH?
When I signed a smart contract on lockdrop and locked my ETH, I entered into an offer agreement. Changes to the terms of the contract may lead to, among other things, legal proceedings.
On this forum, our community who sign in lockdrop not allowed to write and participate in the discussion because you turn on āspam filterā. Turn it off. We canāt writeā¦
Our community on the lockdrop has received 5% of your projectās token emission. I told you about this earlier. You need to discuss this not only on a closed forum, but also with us.
Lockdrop participants and auction participants are different groups.
You cannot discuss with the auction participants the agreements that were with those who took part in the lockdrop!
@henskensm, you wrote āLetās talk about this here or we can create a Zoom call for everyone who is interested to talk about this issue.ā We are interested to talk! Our community owns 5% of the token supply AstarNetwork.
And we disagree with vesting. Letās do a public zoom!
Please do not compare you and us. We have in the project exactly what you guaranteed to us. We do not dictate to you the prices for the purchase of tokens by the funds, your share etc. We decided to participate in the lockdrop based on the conditions that you proposed.
We are not a team for your project. We are members of the cryptocurrency community. We made a decision to participate in the lockdrop based on the conditions you specified. And we only ask you to observe them.
Please do not compare you, other and us. We have in the project exactly what you guaranteed to us. We do not dictate to you the prices for the purchase of tokens by the funds, your share etc. We decided to participate in the lockdrop based on the conditions that you proposed.
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We compare you to any other community member, think thatās important for any community-driven blockchain. Happy to do a discussion when we have a proposal and data ready.
The main goal is winning a parachain slot on Polkadot! Hope you help us with winning that slot 
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We will not participate in the auction in favor of Astar, although we are big DOT holders, until you give us clarity on the terms of the lockdrop!
We have supported you all the time before! You and I had the most popular video interview - ASTAR / SHIDEN NETWORK. ŠŠŠ¢ŠŠ ŠŠ¬Š® Š” SOTA WATANABE - YouTube. But now we do not understand your attitude. We see that you no longer need us and you want to rewrite the conditions that were on the lockdrop.
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We had Zoom with you and Maarten. You interfere with marketing, popularizing the project! You yourself do nothing and disturb others! We had great suggestions on how to popularize the project and introduce the community to it, but AlexPromo seemed to see us as competitors.
Yes, without your help we were able to popularize the Polkadot ecosystem and the Plasma Network more than all of AlexPromo. Many times more!
But you are not marketing. Neither you nor the Astar team. This is not marketing. And the fact that there are problems with quotes on the exchange is also due to the fact that no one wants, no one knows.
Sota Watanabi was always interested only in the development of technology, and he ignored the coin quotes and marketing. He openly stated this. We have tried many times to negotiate with him for help in these matters. We were ignored. After only a year, we were able to agree with him about a live broadcast on the channel. And this is in the end the most watched video about the project! But this is not enough!
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Itās all about getting that slot! So winning that slot is very important for all holders, even for lockdrop users.
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Itās not fair that you asked your subscribers to support your post and click the like button. I have screenshots of your telegram channel where you ask your subscribers to register here and vote for you!
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At the moment, it looks like you are trying to resolve your current issues caused by your own flaws (yes, @slezisatoshi is absolutely right about lack of marketing) sacrificing those who have less legal rights, less influence and less needed at the moment.
@vladylimes, the fact that youāve been waiting for 6 months to get assigned as an ambassador just confirms that the guys have had awful marketing. This is not OK to to be so slow, especially when crypto is moving so fast constantly emerging new competitors.
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Keep the lockdrop conditions the same! Show your decency in practice. And the community will appreciate it. It doesnāt trust you now. Our community is large holders of DOT, SDN and lockdrop allocation.
If you do not plan to officially declare that the original lockdrop conditions will be preserved, we will not consider supporting you in the auction. And vice versa. Do decently and we will broadcast it to the entire Polkadot community.
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