DONKEY GANG Nfts DAO dApp Staking Proposal

I think there is big cross chain collaboration potential here considering they are on Moonbeam with one NFT collection already, it allows us to tap into the Moonbeam user base and strengthen community relationship and collaboration opportunities.

In this unique case, Syfy have already developed and contributed cutting edge NFT standards for the Astar EVM network.

They also provided valuable feedback for dApp staking V3, some of the feedback helped shape and has been incorporated into the current model.

I think the community should at least decide via on chain governance if we can have their NFT collection on Astar, and dApp staking should only be enabled once the collection is fully migrated (on the condition dApp staking is approved). Not sure if that qualifies as a proposal or application.

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Now we express ourselves even more clearly.

“The product does not exist” is a statement aimed at discrediting, putting in a bad light and making fun of our team for the umpteenth time.

When we started working on Age Of Chronos, the product did not exist, today it exists and if there is a reason why it will not be on astar it is due to the poor management of both dapp staking and places like this chat. When we applied we started from 0, and we were accepted as were many other teams, who applied and only then created their own dapps or migrated what they needed to migrate.

Simply put, the contract we created for AoC at the time of the proposal was empty, as was the case for many other dapps that YOU supported and which obviously couldn’t have the product before having developed it. It’s all public, so if you want, let’s evaluate together all the cases in which you participated with your vote. Migration is something we should work on, and it will not be trivial as it is a collection that has thousands of nfts between parents and children.

Our work that the Astar community lost due to the lack of clarity of those who had to manage the development teams, can be consulted on our x page: x.com.
The first dapp with equipable 3D nfts in the world could have been built on Astar… but it will be done elsewhere.

Now…We need to migrate our DG collection to evm which is one of the OGs created on the dot ecosystem, dating back to 2021 which has been very successful and for which we can bring a fair amount of users to interact with Astar or other chains evm.

After all the controversies we had, and the personal decisions of a few people, we extended our hand. We have not closed our doors to future developments of AoC on Astar, as dear @FFR23 well understood. Despite this and despite the losses suffered due to the personal decisions of a few people who are part of the ecosystem, we are here today.

The collection: Collection - Singular :asc&page=1

EXISTS.

The migration will be carried out if the community opens up to dapp staking and guarantees support. What our team and community will guarantee has already been written. We will not commit one of our team’s greatest values ​​for a promise that could be unfulfilled.

Everyone is free to make their own assessments and have opinions.
Let’s hope they are the same for everyone, and not exclusively for SFY Labs, otherwise @sota should better check how things are handled here.

If it is possible to proceed with the vote we would be grateful. The timing is right to do it as more than a week has passed.

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I think the voting on the Townhall will be a great solution to this proposal. I hope many of 200+ stakers will vote and express their opinion about it.

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I also think the voting on the Town Hall will be a great solution to this proposal. Personally, I would like to see the team build on Astar.

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I can open a vote on townhall to gather the community’s opinion on whether or not they will support Donkey Gang’s future dApp Staking application after the migration of the NFT collection to Astar EVM.

However, this vote will not be an endorsement for a listing in dApp Staking as the Donkey Gang collection is not yet eligible to apply for dApp Staking.

If this proposal is approved and the collection is migrated to Astar EVM, Donkey Gang will be welcome to apply to be listed in dApp Staking like any other project.

If you agree, I’ll open a vote.

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I invite you not to bring back the drama that happened around AoC and to refrain from blaming the users of these forums again for the SFY Labs delisting situation. The decision has been made and is in the past.

You want to move forward, as do I and probably the rest of the community.

Let’s focus on Donkey Gang’s arrival on Astar EVM and the dApp Staking application.

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This is already very different. We have no problem in this case because we know that a migration would be equivalent to being listed if the vote has already been positive.
We were against migration before the vote.
As far as we have demonstrated and given to the community, the suspicion that we do not keep our word should not be there, but if these are the rules, it is absolutely not a problem for us.

Vote - Positive
Migration
Listing - post migration

This is OK

We’re not making any drama, just have respect.
Saying there is no product is not respectful.

You have made some considerations, which we respect.
As long as they remain subjective and in line with considerations made for other teams, there is no problem.

We have already moved forward and you have received our response with this proposal. At the moment it doesn’t change anything for our team to make this migration to Astar or other networks. The few funds of a probable initial tier 4 could only be a way to involve the community with rewards and themed events. They are not game-changers and as others have written in the past they are a simple Tip. With this proposal we positively agree with this.
Knowing what we are building outside of Astar, it doesn’t mean that this can’t be a way of creating a bridge to something else in future, It’s not a promise, but something to take into consideration.

You can proceed with the vote if possible. We will not share this proposal with the donkey community, we just want to know what the Astar community thinks about it. And if the answer is negative we will have no recriminations about it.

Hey @SFY_Labs!

Thanks for making a proposal. I am glad to see your team continue to use the forums and working with governance openly with the community.

But I share similar concerns as mentioned above.

Personally, I don’t believe that dApp staking should be the reason for SFY to build on Astar. Instead you should find a community or be interested in using the unique tech stack of Astar Network: Wasm contracts, EVM, XCM, Eth Layer 2, and dApp staking program.

You should build where you create a community, not for dApp staking listing.

I understand that development can take time and resources, and dApp staking is a way to help with this. But I do not see SFY really engaging with the great projects on Astar. Some of the other projects you mentioned in your proposal (Astar Degens, apeXchimps, etc) are finding ways to collaborate and create value.

These are the questions I am asking myself:

  • What stopped SFY from growing the SaurusCrew social account (x.com)? Why not just hop on a few AMAs and grow a following there?
  • Why is Age of Chronos on Moonbeam, but only might come to Astar? AoC was a part of dApp staking family.
  • What is the roadmap for the Donky Gang’s arrival: development, BD, and marketing?

At this point I will not vote to support your proposal.

I truly think that we could use more great teams and artwork on Astar. So, hopefully you can answer these questions and “tip” my vote to support you.

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We have already answered this question.
We are not here to ask for funds personally.
We are not looking for cash cows, we need to migrate the collection to an evm network as our work is focused on the use of rmrk standards. Astar is an option, and the TIP by tier 4 of dapp staking could be seen as an aid to the activities we have planned and support for the community.

Maybe you’re missing the context, Donkey Gang is currently on the ksm network and the community comes from there. Support for rmrk standards on ksm network has been deprecated.
Evolutionary and interaction-based Collection 2.0. Donkey Gang is already 2.

This is a statement that we do not understand and which is perhaps not worth discussing with all due respect. Why do you exclude us from doing the same? Where does your confidence and differentiation come from?
Xchimpz comes from singular - ksm like us, what was developed differently before they were accepted into dapp staking? The proposal is exactly the same, and we want to guarantee the same type of interactions and collaborations. They are two very similar situations.
Maybe you don’t know what we’ve been working on in the last few months: x.com

1)Saurus were largely airdropped to donkey holders to raise awareness of Astar Network in 2022 in the midst of the bear market. At the request of the Astar team (and you know it) we worked on this handmade collection piece by piece and launched it on the only marketplace available at that time: Tofu, which was not the right place, Our users came from singular and were reluctant to use this marketplace due to too many technical problems encountered in those months. As soon as possible we migrated the collection to Singular, making it 2.0 Composable: Collection - Singular

The X page we use for our communications is almost always: x.com

The saurus had a well-defined role in the development of AOC, we wrote about it several times, The goal was to use them for the game’s expeditions. Along with the Donkeys. This was not possible unfortunately.

2)When a team that proposes the development of a web3 game with integration of innovative protocols finds itself after 1 month having financial support for the development that goes from a percentage of 100% to 5% without any demerit in terms of user base (tripled the stakers) and Astar collected (tripled compared to v2) you cannot proceed.
We don’t want to summarize everything, the discussions are on the forum so you can make up your own mind about this, in any case we think we have contributed a lot even by discussing these problems. Some things have already changed and improved and we are pleased.

The game will be on Moonbeam because they offered us a grant for it, evaluating our value proposition and background. Our devs have been paid for the last 3 months. Our team of 9 people is made up of professionals who deserve the best.

  1. Shared above what are the steps we have in mind.

This makes you understand many things.

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Hi @SFY_Labs, glad to see your Dongkey Gang proposal.

From my point of view, it would be great if Dongkey Gang can migrate their own community and create a DAO onto Astar. However, from my point of view, at this moment, this proposal seems like a chicken and egg situation, as the Dongkey Gang Collection already exists since 2021. And it will be migrated on the EVM side, once the proposal passes, though typically the dApp staking proposal is for the dApps live on Astar Network.

But still the vote will be open on Townhall, then I would like to wait for the responses to the three questions above to decide my vote.

Best regards,
pithecus

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Hello and first of all thank you.
We don’t know if this is the wrong way to do it. We can give you many proposals identical to ours. Age Of Chronos to stay on SFY theme was accepted before there was a single line of code on Astar, and so many other dapps.
We don’t want to force anyone to vote for this, our proposal mainly aims to keep open a channel that was closed before it benefits donkey holders.

However, we will not put the collection and our followers on the line before we know if there can be a positive response. Just as it is right that the list happens later.

Unfortunately, from the answers above there seems to still be resentment.
Our message that we want to give doesn’t seem to have gotten through.

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Thanks for your reply. Its helps me understand some things better.

  1. I better understand the purpose of Saurus Crew. You’ve decided to refocus.
  2. And for AoC, you built on Moonbeam for a grant. I’m disappointed, because AoC was a part of dApp staking. But I can understand your position.
  3. Your roadmap for the migration is not clear. No marketing, BD, and dev plan. You will create a DAO. But what will that DAO do?

Overall, I still feel that you haven’t found a good reason to bring Donkey Gang to Astar - community or technology. Like you stated above: “Astar remains an option for Donkey Gang migration, but not the only option.”

There is no real interest to build with the Astar community in your proposal, except for dApp staking rewards.

I recommend that Donkey Gang first decides what chain has the community and technology that fits the project long term. And then make the migration. That could be Astar.

Some members above will support you for the vote. Still, I personally don’t see the value Donkey Gang will bring the ecosystem yet.

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I hope i am not overstepping by interjecting my opinion on this particular topic one last time.

This team are building using the RMRK standard which is collaborative by its very nature. This team also had 15 million Astar staked with them previously hovering on the threshold for tier 3 at the time. There is a built in community here, but perhaps it needs to be stated again.

It possibly goes without saying by the team wanting to build on Astar that they want to build here for reasons including technology and community.

I like that core team members are giving their honest unbiased feedback here as they would any other project proposal.

I would hate to see any future different innovative project discouraged from building on Astar for previously providing open and valuable honest feedback as it sets a precedent that may discourage other projects in the future providing any honest feedback they may have.

I hope Sfy Labs can answer the above queries satisfactorily and help alleviate any fears influential core team members have.

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Yes, we too, in addition to being disappointed, have suffered incredible losses that have slowed down development, just to give you even more info, we have repaid all the incubators sold with a price doubled in $, given the rewards due from dapp staking as promised to all stakers, distributing much more value than we received from our proposal on astar. Our goal was only to finance the development, in fact today the FREE mint is open for the game characters which, in addition to having an in-game role, will be part of the first equipable and animated 3D collection in history. It’s sad that this doesn’t happen on Astar, it could have been a nice narrative to ride. I remind you that our team provided the Astar team (you know it) with both high-level artwork to show at international events from 2021 onwards (when no AI was present at the time, and this made the difference in terms of image) and also assistance on the creation of 2.0 collections (with assets from the Saurus Crew collection). In the same way, the Astar team has always supported SFY, we have always underlined this.
The problem arose after the creation of this dappstaking v3, where in our opinion many negative aspects for teams were ignored.

The roadmap is very clear.
1- Migration - being a 2.0 collection there are many assets to migrate (in reality we are talking about 7 collections between parents and children)
2- Creation of a Dao that binds the future work of the team and the decisions that will be made. This should make you understand that if the choice is like EVM - Astar (I explained to you the need to use the updated rmrk standards and this cannot happen either on wasm or on zkevm currently, because no one is dealing with this aspect of NFTs and in our opinion it is pure madness given that the efforts also on the gamification side should go in that direction) and not Moonbeam or Arbitrium or BoB, just to give a few examples, you should understand that the choices made could have a greater impact on this network.
The collection is already an evolutionary collection today, the prizes could be given in the form of Children Nfts which could also be used cross-collection. Example: You receive a particular item for an activity you have carried out which, in addition to being equipped on your donkey, can be used in other collections, perhaps connected to dapps. They can also be erc20 tokens, we can add protocols that allow the exchange and possession of tokens on nfts (erc 7590 which will be present on age of chronos). And here we stop. Whoever wants to understand should understand.

In the last year our research activities on rmrk standards have brought us to a different level of awareness, we have expanded our team which was previously oriented more on the artistic side and today we can say that we know well what steps we believe are necessary to be able to develop a real web3 dapp with nfts integration. For us, without rmrk it can’t be done, or it can be done but not with the same potential.

Little OT since we’re talking about technology and what is useful or not, take our 2 cents, the yoki should exploit the same type of standard being practically like pokemon in terms of evolution they would be perfect! The nfts of other projects presented in the Yoki ecosystem should have been equipped as children on the same, for example. These are tips that if we had been involved we too would certainly have given, and we would have been able to give our contribution.
This was not the case, after v3 the team of which you are also part decided to give greater value and not to question the work on the new dappstaking that the considerations or, as others defined, “complaints” of our team. But this is now the past.

Exactly, to receive the funds, whether few or many, we could have done as others do, filling the chat with hearts and appreciation for astar’s technology. The reality, as already explained above, is that this is an attempt to remain an open channel rather than having free funds from dapp staking (also because if we want to quantify these currently would not justify all the time we are wasting just responding in this forum, at least with the current tier 4 where we think our dapp will naturally be classified).But we want to do it under the conditions under which EVERYONE participates, already having this whole discussion after considering all the current participants and how and what they are bringing to the network seems like a exaggeration.
The reality is that at SFY LABS on a technical level nothing changes between Astar and other EVM networks (where the rmrk protocol is supported).

From the point of view of future evolutions of either the Donkey project or their integration into other dapps created by SFY LABS, this may change. It’s up to you to understand this, we’re saying it in various ways, but it seems like it’s said, don’t pass the message along.
Do you think we are here because we are tempted by 100 astars a day from dapp staking? completely wrong.

nothing to say, if this is your thought we cannot force you to think anything else. However, I hope you read what is written and together with the team you can understand what our real objective is here. Nobody did anything to fix the problem with Age of Chronos, very little was enough. I hope this can be overcome by starting again from this new proposal.

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@SFY_Labs
Hello team, best regards!

As I mentioned in a previous post, I would love to see your collection on our network, clearly it would be very attractive to users and building a DAO around it sounds like a great idea, of course we will have to see if everything goes as planned :sweat_smile:.

I strongly support this structure that G proposes, let’s allow a vote with $ASTR token holders and then move on to an early migration!

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Without returning to the topic, since the past is the past, let’s look to the future.
The SFY team has always stood out for its professionality and commitment and began collaborating with Astar several years ago. Rebuilding relationships and opening up the possibility of future collaborations is an extremely intelligent choice on both sides. I will definitely vote Yes.

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@SFY_Labs

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions to the best of your abilities. It has helped me quite understand your plans a bit more. The DAO roadmap is still unclear, but I do see potential if you can activate that community. Donkey Gang could be an easy way for some DOTSama OGs work within the Astar Community.

I’ll base my vote on the roadmap you have shared and the potential I see for Donkey Gang.

Again, I’m happy to see your involvement in the forums. Thanks!

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Hello all.
After almost a month from our request, the vote did not start.
Sorry to see this.
We tried to be constructive, unfortunately this is not enough.

There is a strong centralization in decision-making steps ,and in our case evident resentment by whoever carries out this check, otherwise it would not be necessary to write this message.
Even if the opposite is said.

We will make our considerations and make our decisions.
We thank everyone who took time to respond and who supported us. :pray:
@FFR23 @you425 @Juminstock @Shivam @GuiGou @TheRealisildur

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hi @SFY_Labs - i still would like to see a vote so that we can close this out the correct way. I hope this is still possible.

Especially since this is a dApp staking proposal and not a UCG proposal

It’s really a big pity :frowning: