AGE OF CHRONOS : dApp Staking proposal

Awesome Tutorial!!! Thank you a lot for your update =)

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Thanks for update. I really liked video. :heart:

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THIS IS WHAT WE EARN EACH ERA.
For a web 3 game with innovative protocol 2.0.
This is the support of astar to sfy labs.
Thank you, in a month this won’t even pay for the video we made to explain how dapp staking v3 works.
Taking 12.5 times less from a dapp that does a simple lottery is humiliating.
Taking 10 times less than what we took in dapp staking v2 with triple the amount of astar in staking is even more humiliating.
Thanks for the support. :-1:

Hey team! I am sorry for that, but dapp staking model is about community support.
Maybe is time to rethink about marketing… how to engage community?
Also dapp staking is something to help team to build not to sponsor 100% the project.

I totally support your product and I would love to see more support form Astar Community but SFY team should ask yourself how to get more attention and support.

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Thank you for sharing your opinion.
I think it’s good to express your opinion on the Tier system and reward system of dApp Staking v3, as it contributes to the future development of the system.

However, please refrain from using such expressions. This is a result that was fairly conducted under the same rules. I think it lacks respect to use the expression “humiliating” towards projects that have competed fairly.

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@pitcoin777 Which marketing? We have tripled our user base, we have 14.6 million staked, quite a few.
We did everything they asked of us before the transition to v3, quality in our proposals, new tokenomics and new rewards for the community. Today there is not a single team that gives greater rewards than us. Look here:

Lucky 15 million = 830 astr
Age of Chronos 14.6 million = 66 astr
ApexChimps 7 million = 66 astr

Is all this fair? who pays the burn? just the dapps? the holders? the collators? dapp staking was astar’s biggest narrative. Today it is a support only for large teams and a mere tip for others. Development has nothing to do with this system, it will be a race to the tier.

@bao You’re probably right, we’ve been very saddened the last 2 days, after working so hard. This is not a denigration of other projects, of course, but we must reward proposals where a lot of development and innovation is developed. We made a mistake in tone.
It remains that today there was also a lack of respect towards SFY Labs. Many times.

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you can continue conversation on v3 thread.

Hi, @SFY_Labs! I hope you are feeling well. I would like to express my opinion on the subject.

First of all, we are glad you are in the ecosystem, your product is great and it is true, you have many stakers in your dApp. dApp staking V3 in part comes to reorganize what you as app creators, earned previously. Not that it’s bad, because as my colleague @pitcoin777 said, dApp staking is to support projects in their evolution. V3 comes with a proposal and it is that, they will have to attract more users to be within the tiers. We just started with the first sub-period of Build&Earn.

Your point of view is valid and will allow us to improve the program.

On the other hand, I think it is good to compare with other dApps in the list, mainly the idea with V3 is that, that this becomes a healthy competition.

But, I would not like you to refer to Lucky as you did, despite being a lottery application, we have reached a considerable amount of users stakendo in our dApp.

Thank you!

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so you think that financing a project with 9 people on board for $300 a month could lead to the creation of a game using nfts 2.0 onchain? Is this real help or a mockery?

We have never really earned from dapp staking… other teams have also earned millions of astar in some cases.
We have earned about 10% of what we needed for development in the previous 3 months, and today we are here with nothing.

You should evaluate and quantify before writing things that obviously seem without any logic. I’m sorry but we are very angry.

Competition doesn’t exist. it cannot exist with this system, there is only a small elite of projects where only the same people always work… You all know what we are talking about, so before coming to tell us how to be competitive in this ecosystem, know that:

  1. we are not an improvised team, if you just open our page on the portal you will see it.
  2. currently our rewards system if put on the same tier as any other dapp would DEFINITELY be greater.

It’s math.

PS about lucky…
You have actualli 400k astar more then us and earn 12.5x respect us.

IT’S THIS CORRECT FOR YOU?

What have you done more than us in these 2 months? can you list it for me?
If this must be the climate, let’s develop a technical discussion.

and NO, we are not feeling good.

Okey, apparently your anger overwhelms your calm, so that’s not the way to have a constructive conversation beyond simple angry words :slightly_smiling_face:

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YES. I’m not saying otherwise. It could be true.

Whenever you want, answer me this: You actually have 400k astar more then us and earn 12.5x respect us.
Is this fair?

Hey, don’t give up. Dapps v3 may look a bit unfair now. But, If you progress, you may get more stackers in the later phases. After all, Dapps v3 is not about stake only. But should think about the BUILDING PHASE, which is where you prove your product and go all out for the marketing.

Like it or not, Lucky has one of the most interesting methods/contracts of ASTR distribution for the stackers IMO.

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  1. We never give up, don’t worry
  2. Now let’s talk about lucky from a technical point of view?
    Wasn’t it a question of reaching 15 million and therefore improving our marketing?

To our question about whether to have 400k more astars and have 12.5 times the amount of astars taken from us NO ONE replied: You’re right, it’s not meritocratic. NO ONE.
and this is not nice for a community that we thought was more united for the good of the network.

Now let’s talk about lucky’s smart contract? Have you read our proposal instead?
Do you know what we’re working on?

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Let’s move on…

:point_right:Development side update.

Today, after 2 days of testing and adjustments, we can say that our tool for the snapshot, average calculation and multisend of $astr tokens is fully functional. There have been several changes to the staking events by the astar team, which took us some time, but it was expected that something would change compared to V2.
Thanks also to the Subsquid team for supporting us and for still doing so on some technical aspects. We believe that we will be able to develop this tool even better, perhaps by associating it with some game contests, as soon as the dungeons are ready. We do not set limits and in this sense if you have suggestions we are open to listening.

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Here you will find the account we use to send rewards:

On the website https://ageofchronos.com/astr.php you will be able to check how much you are entitled to each era by entering your native account. If you do it with EVM, you will find the rewards directly there.

I do feel 67 Astr per era is low regardless which dapp gets it. Is it possible to increase tier 4 reward for Dapps so they can continue to build with Astar? I believed we have tier 5 for new comers and projects not active so this will help weed out inactive teams. We want to incentivize team correctly who build on astar and seeing progress with AOC, we should find a way to support tier 4. Let me check with Astar Degens to see if the Dao can help push AOC over 15 million, tier 3.

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Lucky is not a very tech project, just a fun project with an extra gamble. For me, if they reach 15 million, it means their project is worth the attention. Every project here starts from 0, even Neurolance one of the biggest.

Honestly, I am not a fan of how Neurolance’s marketing sounds overdelivering. But, it’s what it is. This is how DAO works. Not all works are counted as the same in relative to payment. It’s all about the DAO member’s power to vote.

I know you guys working on NFT for ASTR stackers, but maybe for ASTR users right now it’s not attracted to your proposal, or maybe your medium of marketing needs to be improved. Keep learning my friend.

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Mate, lucky is not more attractive then age of chronos, don’t joke with the words.
you got 400k more astar and got 12 times more rewards.
This cannot be a serious matter in a healthy development context.
Don’t think that we have anything against you, any idea must be rewarded and supported, you must understand that our outburst is certainly not to belittle your work.
You’ve been repeating the same things for 3 days, but no one has deigned to say that both we and you have achieved almost parity in staking and that one dapp is quite rightly supported while the other is not.
Then if we want to get into the technical merit, go ahead and throw mud (yes this time) on our work.
We are working on the first onchain integration of nfts 2.0 that can be equipped in 3D in a dungeon crawler, there is a lot of work to do. This can bring real value to the chain, beyond lucky or any other dapp (otherwise you will be offended) that has just passed the 15 million hurdle, it is not fair that we or any other dapp similar to ours are not supported for a range TOTALLY random, decided only to throw out as many projects as possible and burn more astar. It is an unfair threshold, which takes away space for true development, because today we have to waste time here making our voice heard, and in the future, even if we exceed the various tier ranges, we will always have to compete more than with development healthy (like we are doing today) with aggressive marketing and shill.
We know very well that we will soon enter tier 3, we know very well that in the future we will also be able to move up in tier, but at present the system does not work and is not meritocratic, both for us and for others. The fact that we are complaining today is because we are the ones who had the most absurd position of all in this “ranking”, but soon others will be able to share our frustrations today. Don’t play with words and facts. The numbers are there for all to see, we are not attacking anyone here and I apologize if the initial tone may have made you think so. Okay? Now let’s move on to this page, we would like to talk only about the developments, regarding dapp staking, please continue the conversation in the appropriate section. Thank you

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Hello @SFY_Labs ,

Because you talked many times about Lucky in this post, as founder of Lucky, I have to give my opinion.
Firstly, I don’t want to compare our two projects because they are totally different and I do not know yours well enough.
Apparently, you don’t know Lucky either.
The main goal of Lucky is indeed a lottery but in a completely decentralized and automated way with Smart Contracts on Astar Network and Phat Contracts on Phala Netwok, several SubQuery and Subsquid indexers and an UI deployed on IPFS via Apillon. We setuped our full Astar Node to improve the decentralization of Astar Network and to be able to build faster our indexes. There is still some work to do to achieve the fully decentralization but we are working on it. Technically, as you can imagine, it isn’t so easy. We are bringing the offchain computation provided by Phat contracts (deployed on Phala) to Ink! smart contracts deployed on Shiden/Astar. You can find different proof of concepts with the decentralized oracles: https://decentralized-oracle.substrate.fi/

Then, as developer, I totally agree with you, rewards for tier 4 are very low and I don’t think a dApp with 14M ASTR should receive the same rewards than a dApp with 1.5M ASTR. I agree with you the dAppStakingV3 is not perfect (no system is so). It solved some issues of the V2 but I think we can still improve/ adjust it. We need to discuss constructively between ambassadors, developers and Astar Core Team to improve the dApp Staking V3, do some propositions and see how to make it better.

Now, you are almost reach the threshold of 15M ASTR to be in the tier 3. I am sure if you amplify your communication, you can reach it quickly.
Personally, I prefer to see smart communication and mutual cooperation between projects. Lucky received the help from Astar Degen to reach tier 3 and I will try to help your project to reach tier 3 as well.

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