❇️ UCG: SkyLabs - Next Steps

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All questions were answered in previous topic threads, if any new questions arise you are free to post them here.

Edit: no baseless accusations.

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I have no other questions. The last request was to present the roadmap for the next few months where I would prefer to see more precise dates. From what I remember there was talk of doing it (the report) starting in January. The voting is still in its early stages and I think the whole community has plenty of time to decide :smile:

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@VasaKing can you help me, there’s a tool for analysis that can check in staking contract? It’s the only point that I not check well right now.

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Could you please specify which analytics tool you are looking for? Do you mean how much the dApps fetch or are you looking for some other type of data? @Zorounashi

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Thank you very much.
Definitely a valid question and request.
I will try to give you closer dates, but as I said before, it is not really possible to give specific dates. It has not worked in the past as we cannot foresee the challenges and other difficulties that lie ahead. But as mentioned in the previous post, Q1 is targeted for the first release of Skylab Survivors. The results of the vote will also have a major impact on our roadmap. However, our goal is to be much more transparent in the future and make it easier to keep track of progress and current status.

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Number of stakers, total amount for each stakers in the last 12 months. This is sufficient

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You may find useful this tool as well :slightly_smiling_face:
https://agent.sun-t-sarah.work/

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Thanks for addressing this @knacker65
What I mean with my post is that whatever the current sentiment is, the SFY team (SFY account and Zorounashi) should create an onchain proposal to ask for onchain sentiment from the community regarding the next steps.

This is what I keep promoting! And I’m 100% aligned with you that the current dialogue doesn’t feed any solution, yet I’m trying to get it available.

Let me work on more clear guidelines besides the one that are currently available.

:bowing_man:

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you are throwing everything into a mess again. answer on all the points on the table, without playing the victim. Ambassador and core team should prove that the rules apply equally to everyone. the team does not deserve any more time, this conversation started 2 months ago and both them and the people behind them are pushing for partial and insufficient answers. No one is persecuting them or anyone else. They just have to answer not to me or Sfy, they have to answer according to the rules in place. This team technically for how it carried out its activity cannot even be listed, this is what the rules say. The core team and any Ambassador must answer on the matter without creating alibis. there is nothing ethical and collaborative to discuss. Then if you want to create the new villain of the forum, know that you won’t make it, there are 11 unresolved points for 15 months and in these days I will also do research on the real active stakers. If a conjunction with one or a few known people who support them is found then it would be even worse. No team has been allowed what has currently been allowed at Skylab for the past 15 months.

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At the same time, I’m asking the SFY Team, if possible, to send me an email with a Calendly if they are open to join a public community sync with Skylab, Community members and Astar Foundation to clarify open discussion, including questions that feel unanswered by the Foundation.
This will also help with a possible governance proposal to give our community more context and background around the issue raised.

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Thanks for the tool @VasaKing it was very useful.
this is the onchain information about skylab staking

Out of 30 million in stake, almost the same amount for 15 months, there are only 2 addresses that have put 29 million astar in stake.

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I think the onchain analysis doesn’t lie right?
Now, assuming that everyone does what they want, if the @Zorounashi analyses are real, the famous 11 points that start from the assumption that a few people have hidden and made sure that this team is still listed while others, many others were first punished and then delisted for much less, WHEN YOU DISCOVER THAT THE TOTAL OF STAKERS is made up of 2 people, how do you think the management of this dapp should be evaluated? Is everything normal and decentralized? Do we want to do a search on these 2 accounts Marteen? :grinning:

You talk very often about collaboration…NOT TOXICITY.
You are the ones who poisoned this place.

The SFY team has nothing to declare or prove, we are out of dapp staking and we know why.
We want answers now on the status not only of the skylab team but also of all those who are still out of regulation today.

The skylab team is not our target, we don’t care about their activities. We have nothing to clarify with them.

I repeat all the point still not answered, so that those who read below will not be fooled by this terrible attempt to place all the blame on SFY.

1)the dapp has never developed or invested in research despite the large funds obtained in 15 months from its listing, on the integration of astr blockchain as required by the currently applicable legislation. This is the point that should lead to the delist as it is NOT DAPP, not a trivial point to discuss or verify by voting(You vote the main rules?)
The greatest lack of respect is not that of the team, which is right to take all the time possible and to earn as much as possible with the minimum possible expense, but of the people who should control this according to the regulations, namely the ambassadors. The rules must be respected and in theory there is no vote that should be done, there is no discussion on this. The core team or whoever performs this function should have long ago brought this shortcoming to light. They are supported by a member of the core team, the same one who closed the thread about their poor development, namely Ramz, who is the same one who supports them unconditionally, out of friendship or otherwise, I don’t care. There would be nothing wrong with that team developing according to the rules and not taking advantage that other teams were not granted (RIGHTLY)

2)They have always said that developing a game takes time, very true. It is not true that you have to pass off assets purchased on third-party markets as yours, and use them as the main purpose of development. They exploit people’s ignorance in terms of “game development” to make people believe that everything they are doing is the result of enormous sacrifices, instead the first person who questioned all this brought to light with simple research and experience that the team usually merged and packaged existing things. In some cases there is nothing wrong with buying assets or AI to generate assets, but this cannot be the main product and especially in their case it cannot be, having in fact always used these assets as an “excuse” for not being able to work on YET blockchain integration. 3) They have been in UCG for the longest time possible (2 times) and never reported what they were doing in a timely manner (because there was nothing to report, just read the forum) and none of the ambassadors asked anything about it. Ucg provides for the use of milestones, have the milestones been reached? OF COURSE NOT.

They have their backs covered, so much so that they were even still in the UCG section after more than a year. without receiving extra found, but having better exposure.

  1. They sold through Yoki additional nfts obviously generated with AI, in the best period of ASTAR (in value) cashing in a considerable amount, obviously without taking care of their integration into the game, they haven’t even decided yet which network to use, let alone choose where to mint these useless images… other assets generated with AI that will not have a sequel, and which have never been talked about again. This is always thanks to influential friends. I think that even in this case community funds were spent, and that many people in the moment of enthusiasm and rise of the astar token trusted to buy any capsule existing on the market even from the skylab team.
    On every nfts it’s write: it could unlock future rewards.
    real utility? none, still more promises. Who knows how long it will take here too.

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They professed a knowledge of the RMRK protocols that in reality they do not have. They are simple users of a simplified website for the mint, in fact when the rmrk team updated their protocols and made the minting of nft 2.0 via the website impossible, they no longer did what they had in mind, because in their team despite having raised thousands of dollars in the last year, they do not have a blockchain developer. They rely on the Tricky team occasionally apparently. To date the results are poor even for the migrations they proposed.
There are only 6 nfts migrated. That’s all. :grin:

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The migrated assets are not equippable, and it is not clear why, if not for technical lack. To avoid trouble they set the migration deadline in a few days and did everything manually. Many people evidently do not know anything and for them that is fine.

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  1. They tried in the only answers provided on why there was no integration with astar after 15 months of dappstaking, to associate the migration of other assets, to the blockchain product of the skylab game. An attempt to evade the question on which other people then fossilized, trying to bring attention to this thing. This is a minor thing, that has nothing to do with the game. I hope it is clear to everyone, in any case it was not completed as planned.
  2. They talk about SONEIUM but forget that their integration will have to (if they follow what was proposed in the first proposal) also pass through the work of the RMRK team. There is currently no marketplace, nor will there be in the coming months, that can guarantee the correct buying and selling or even just the correct viewing of nfts 2.0 if not that of Singular. I am not even obviously hypothesizing their own marketplace, they clearly would not know where to put their hands, if they do not know how to do a migration, so that said, how can you be sure to develop this with the rmrk protocol? Mystery.
  3. They have never paid the stakers for what was promised. The airdrops were not carried out as they should have been, also helped by the poor participation of people in the ecosystem, in fact to date one of the biggest shortcomings of astar is precisely that of having a dappstaking where no one can lose anything even by betting and trusting certain scams. This makes the complaint of the end user almost excessive… in the meantime they have positioned themselves in a certain place and tier also thanks to those promises.
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9) They do not have a github on which users or anyone interested can see the progress of the team. All the teams that actually develop something have public code, since after 15 months we are not yet talking about the blockchain product, which does not mean talking about the finished game but at least a phantom application of the protocol to it, it would be appropriate to have a dedicated github page.

Strange:
10) For more than a year they have always had the same amount of tokens in staking, the figure does not go up or down, clearly this makes you think about many things, the vote of a few, the support of influential people, which explain many things including the lack of control and the freedom to do whatever they want without being punished.
This rhymes with centralization. (The answer is above, two accounts finance the dapp, despite the numbers and what the skylab team has always said.)

To investigate:
11) If as admitted they delegated and purchased things with the funds received, while people believed that they were the main creators, including graphic assets and marketing assets such as music by the Japanese artist and more, this project was born practically as an empty box, made of promises and beautiful images. First the funds are collected and then savings are delegated. Everyone could create dapps in this way, and the background or what was built by serious teams would be something insignificant.
How will copyright be managed in this case? No answer on this again. We are really at risk that the game could be created from assets that cannot be used in the context in which it will be distributed, and this on Soneium is a big problem as well as a huge embarrassment if it were to happen.

These questions were asked 2 months ago. The answers were non-existent and almost ridiculous for a team that is building a web3 game, there were statements that suggest in many cases a very high incompetence and that they do not know what they are doing. This could explain why 15 months have passed.
The 30 million coming from 2 accounts for all 15 months despite new voting systems and build & earn instead explain something completely different.

The dapp according to the current regulation cannot be listed and it should not be an onchain vote to establish this. The Astar team through the words of Marteen is trying to make this weight fall on the shoulders of SFY Labs by asking them to start a delist vote. The Astar core team has always acted without compromise in the event of a certain break in the main regulation, today they are trying to find an amicable solution.
From the latest things written and the slow mode suddenly activated, Marteen seems to be ready to close the current post, silence those who are asking for answers and probably also ban our team or those like him who ask for answers.

The SFY team also asks if it is possible that both the ambassadors and the core team currently involved in this discussion, give an example of behavior and that they publicly clarify WHAT ARE THE RULES FOR BEING LISTED AND RECEIVING REWARDS and if SKYLAB is in a right or wrong position.
A non-response is a clear sign of collusion (with one of the two parties) and is not something that can be defined as democratic or fair.

Good luck to everyone.

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Happy New Year, everyone!

As of now, we have decided to initiate a community vote regarding the potential delisting of our Dapp. This decision arises from thoughtful and reasonable discussions within our team, where we concluded that it is important to give the community a chance to express their collective voice on this matter.

We want to make it abundantly clear that this decision is not a response to toxic voices, harassment, or undue pressure. Such behavior has no place in our ecosystem and should be left out of this discussion entirely. I will address these issues directly at the end of this statement.

While this vote is essential to ensure transparency and community involvement, it’s important to acknowledge that a delisting would have a significant impact on our roadmap. Prolonged processes and lack of funding could greatly affect our ability to build efficiently. Nevertheless, we remain committed to our vision and to delivering value to our community.

We hope that the community that has trusted us so far will continue to support us and entrust us to remain listed as a Dapp. Your ongoing belief in our work and your participation, including continued staking, are critical to ensuring the success and longevity of this project.

Vote Link Here

I personally wanted to address a few points that have been brought up as well.

What Did We Do With the Skylab Funding?
Here’s a detailed breakdown of how we utilized the funds to further our project:

The Team
Skylab is a dedicated team of five core members

2 Game Developers
1 CEO/3D Artist (myself)
1 Marketing/Community Manager
1 CFO/Merchant

Over the past 15 months, we received approximately $55,000 through Dapp Staking, UCG, and the Yoki campaign.

Allocation of Funds
Here’s where the funding was directed:

Taxes: 40% (~$22,000)
Since we’re based in Germany, taxes are unavoidable. This reduced our usable funds to ~$33,000.

Game Development: 40% (~$13,200)

Artists:
3D modeling and texturing for four characters.
Animation creation (walk/run cycles, fight animations, and cutscenes).
Background music by Yuka.
Assets:
Various assets purchased from the Unreal Marketplace.

Marketing: 15% (~$4,950)
Giveaways, visiting events, such as Blockchain Life to create awareness and attract partners.

Operational Costs: 9% (~$3,000)
such as rendering, power supply etc.
Key investment: An NVIDIA RTX 4090 for one of our workstations to enhance productivity.

Blockchain Development: 23% (~$7,590)
We faced challenges in migrating our NFT collection. Two external developers were hired but couldn’t deliver the results due to unforeseen personal and skill-related issues.
Recently, we’ve engaged a highly recommended developer with a reliable team, and we’re optimistic about completing the migration and blockchain integration for our game in Q1—provided our finances remain stable.

Internal Loan Payments: 13% (~$4,290)
As a team of five, each member effectively received ~$57/month over 15 months. This highlights the passion and commitment driving our project.

Blockchain Development: 23% (~$7,590)
Since early 2023, we’ve been working on migrating our NFT collection and integrating blockchain functionalities into our game. Unfortunately, this process has been fraught with challenges.

Issues With Contractors: We initially engaged two external developers for the migration, but both failed to deliver results. One had to abandon the project due to personal reasons, while the other lacked the expertise to complete the task.
Delays With Partners: Misaligned expectations and technical difficulties further hindered progress, consuming both time and resources.

Despite these setbacks, we are now collaborating with a highly recommended developer and their team.
Their expertise gives us confidence that the migration will be successfully completed in the coming weeks. Following this, we plan to integrate blockchain technology into our first game, targeting completion in Q1—provided our financial stability holds.

Do we buy and use assets from the Unreal Marketplace for our game?

Absolutely, we purchase assets from the Unreal Marketplace with commercial licenses!
This practice is standard in the film and gaming industry, especially for projects that are complex and resource-intensive. We’re not creating a 2D or 2.5D indie game, where developers often pour a lot of passion into crafting every single element from scratch.

We’ve aimed for a realistic 3D look, which is far more complex to execute.
For example, take a look at this game created by a talented studio:

Because of the complexity, we can’t build every asset from the ground up. Additionally, we don’t have the budget to hire 20-30 artists for a period of two years, especially when their daily rates average around $250-300 per day.
We leverage every innovative tool available to keep our costs low while delivering products at the expected quality.

That said, we absolutely do not tolerate asset flips in game development. Asset flipping—where developers solely purchase assets and create a game with no original creative effort—is unacceptable, and we strongly distance ourselves from such practices.

Here for example:

Everything—except the monster we used as a placeholder at the time—was created by us. From the set and battle system mechanics to the UI, it’s all our own work.

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Is Our Yoki Collection AI-Generated?
No, it is not AI-generated. Like our previous collection, everything in the Yoki Collection has been crafted by us.

To provide more transparency, we’ve shared a detailed “Making Of” video that showcases the creation process:

In Summary:
The funds have been used responsibly to support our team, overcome challenges, and push forward with game development.
The NFT migration and blockchain integration have been a significant focus since 2023, with many hurdles along the way.

However, we’ve learned from these experiences, and our current partnerships show great promise for completing this critical phase.
While our journey hasn’t been without obstacles, we remain committed to delivering a high-quality product and contributing meaningfully to the Astar ecosystem.
By utilizing resources like the Unreal Marketplace responsibly, we not only streamline development but also support the broader creative ecosystem that fuels the gaming industry.
We’re proud of what we’ve accomplished and look forward to showcasing the results of our hard work in the near future.

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Because of an UI bug on Subsquare when publishing a public proposal, the UI remains indexing and the public proposal is not visible.

Fixed:

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Last message for me too,

summary of the answers to give to you: You are out of the main regulation since August 2023. Everything you wrote is about the development of a game in web2. The dapp presupposes other characteristics well described not by me or you, but BY THE REGULATION.

You have not fully met all the points of YOUR PROPOSAL, not mine, and you have not done so over 15 months and several dappstakings.

No one pointed this out to you for more than a year. in the ucg you stated that the characters were modeled by your studio, which you deny today, and you presented it as a milestone point. You had to present the purchase. the problem is not using marketplace assets, maybe you didn’t understand, in the context of a complex dapp it is also Excusable. the problem is having made people believe that this work is the fulcrum of 15 months of delay and non-delivery.

You also continue to mention a migration of a collection decorrelated from the game, which today you want to correlate as the Blockchain product. People are not stupid, I repeat.

Also as demonstrated by the onchain votes your dapp is supported by 1 wallet basically for the entire staking value. It is allowed of course, but the community does not support you as you want to make believe. or maybe some might support you more because they see you as a team that is funded by a strong hand…who knows!

Staking values ​​should be specified on the dapp staking page. A user who votes should know if the dapp is listed for the interests of single entities or a community of many people who support that idea regardless of their staking power. It is vital information and the Astar team should take this into consideration.

It would also be nice if the Astar team responded without anyone there accusing, if those wallets lead back to the foundation. I do not know, and it is not an accusation, since Skylab has also entered ucg and double funding is not allowed by the rules, in that case it should be denied, without making a scene like, editing this message or pointing me out for false accusations.
I repeat, I do not know. @Maarten

there is nothing more beautiful than clarity, the team and controllers have exacerbated the discussion, and the SKYLAb team has avoided addressing a technical issue several times in the past months, except today that it is at risk of delisting (which will not happen). Those who wrote that the game would be ready on day or month X were them. Today it seems obvious to me to ask questions,no one is toxic towards Skylab, the poisoning of the community occurs when some are treated differently from others. The collaborative and community spirit must not only be professed but also cultivated.

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Message towards community and those interacted in this thread:

  • Make sure you ‘Second’ the proposal to be the next one that is going to referenda.
  • The one that got most bonded seconds will be the next going forward.

I already voted 2x.
I’ll soon add my research now this projects is added to our onchain governance delisting.

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Referenda has started. Please vote here:

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Hi!

This is AstarHood, part of the Astar Governance, Community Council. I would like to give more clearity with every delisting proposal moving forward. This one has been initiated through the discussions with the project and some community members. The project itself decided to create the delisting to understand if the community feels the same as those that has been active on this forum.

As first part of my research, I created the timeline of Skylabs interactions with Astar Network:

SkyLabs Timeline

Other things to highlight:

  • Amount staked through UCG has been 2M ASTR for each cycle, all other amounts has been staked by community and their investors.

More research will be shared before my official vote on the proposal.
I’m still working on it, next will be on the funds used and other topics raised by community.

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I understand that the expenses the team incurred, especially with taxes, reduced the budget for development. However, Skylab was part of the UCG program and was listed as a dApp, even though it did not have any on-chain activity. This is crucial for voting on its delisting.

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Funds used:

  • The developer wallet is open for everyone to check: Z72w8QNfMmbvq6VJ82yPd2giVHezNtpzVc3ZeSbCPu5j5EV
  • The funds that has been send out to employees and exchanges can be seen here: Subscan | Astar Transfer List
    • I don’t see any misuse of the funds earned and the usage has been explained by Skylabs team in the thread above: ❇️ UCG: SkyLabs - Next Steps - #59 by AkinSkylab
    • Also in the first report as part of the first UCG cycle, SkyLabs was very transparent about what has been sold at what price.
  • Total amount ASTR earned from dApp Staking:698,562.211, you can see the full list here: Subscan | Aggregate Substrate ecological network high-precision Web3 explorer
    • With the current rate this is around $45,9k USD, the team also stated before that they sold ASTR during the bear market at a much lower amount.

Others:

  • SFY_Labs & Zorounashi have been attacking the team since November 2024, it seems they are both active Italian gaming studios. SFY Labs left the Astar ecosystem some time ago and it’s very unclear if this is a personal vendetta or not.
  • Saw the latest post of Maarten where he pointed out that SFY Labs and Zorounashi share the same IP and being the same person. I also pointed this out in something I discovered before but asked for an explanation to SFY Labs, where he pointed out they work from the same office.

Next steps:

  • Having SkyLabs as part of dApp Staking during UCG made sense and we everyone supported them.
  • Having SkyLabs as part of dApp Staking after their UCG grant has ended and now entering the 9th month as officially being part of dApp Staking without anything onchain, is not correct.

I still support the project but I would make more sense if they applied back when everything is released and fully working. In the current phase, it makes sense to support the delisting proposal.

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I agree with the points. Skylabs have been transparent when it comes to the usage of funds, providing really detailed reports, and their transactions are public. The issues in SFY Labs and Zorounashi raise many questions as to their intention, having shared IPs. Skylabs has brought value, but it is only fair to support the delisting proposal until their deliverables are on-chain. They can then reapply with fairness and on-chain contributions.

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