Skylab was part of the UCG program and was listed as a dApp, though it did not have any on-chain activity. The UCG program was not intended to support projects without on-chain activity, and this oversight led to some misunderstanding.
We acknowledge this issue and have since taken steps to ensure better alignment with the program’s intended purpose moving forward.
Propose of this Tread:
To clearly gather all relevant info from SkyLabs that can help our community understand current status of build and timeline of next milestones.
SkyLabs needs to clearly respond to:
the current status of the milestones, and NFT migration
outcome and impact of what has been built, what has not been built and why
next steps with dates of what will be delivered, other actions that is beneficial to them and/or Astar
justification of why to remain a dapp, or otherwise why be removed/delisted
justification of any other actions that bring value to Astar
Note:
Not only does the Astar community have a vested interest in active builders, and their projects that can bring value to Astar, but builders also have a vested interest in building on chains that they can find meaningful support and help them succeed in their build and goals. The aim is to find a win-win for both. Let’s use this opportunity as a learning lesson for everyone involved. Back-linked conversations: Unstoppable Grants Proposal: Skylab Corp
Sentiment vote will happen 2 days from now with these 2 options:
Maintained SkyLabs as a dApp in the Astar portal (not UCG, but regular dApp)
Remove and delist SkyLabs as a dApp in the Astar portal
Thank you for the opportunity i want go over briefly through the questions.
Current status of migration
The NFT migration is nearly complete. Contracts are operational, and we are finalizing the next steps to ensure a smooth transition.
Milestones achieved so far:
Securing soundtracks from Yuka Kitamura.
Producing trailers.
Licensing and customizing assets for fair use.
Collaborating with Japanese freelance artists (not from platforms like Fiverr or Upwork) for character design and creation, such as Zac and Eta.
Prototyping and blocking out levels and other elements of the game.
created a minigame Skylab Survivors.
What has not been built and why
a functioning public intern demo.
Its way more steps and complexity than we initially thought and going over we wanted to ensure that the demo once released should display a good representation of what is to be expected. So we waited and tried to make it as good as possible.
Justification for Remaining a dApp
We remain committed to building a project that delivers long-term value. Skylab isn’t about short term goals; it’s about creating something meaningful that contributes to the ecosystem’s growth and sustainability.
justification of any other actions that bring value to Astar
Gaming as a Catalyst We strongly believe that gaming has the potential to be the next big catalyst for web3, both in general and specifically for platforms like Astar and Soneium. By continuing to innovate and develop in this space, we aim to position our project as a cornerstone for this emerging movement, driving adoption and providing lasting impact.
Regarding the NFT transition, it would be easier to communicate the current situation by posting links to contracts, etc.
-It would also be good to write specifics on how to handle NFT on Astar zkEVM.
these are not the real problems! wake up, these are 3 written by Ramz who continues to protect them by pretending to disagree. And the absurd thing is that even on these 3 points, they answered badly!
@you425 Enjoy the real discussion and note that the answers have not been given in the last 2 months, so I don’t think it’s worth giving more time after they are listed exactly from August 2023.
This is treating astar like milk cows.
And focus on the first point that you also highlighted in the past few weeks which apparently doesn’t matter much to all the sheriffs present here. 15 months.
very strange this statement. We have been in direct contact with the core team for 3 years, including you. We are a company that pays employees and pays taxes (I don’t know if the same can be said for others here).
We asked you personally before committing and working to develop on the astar network to let us understand what our reward would be and you shared a predictive table with us, remember?
We did our calculations and decided to make the proposal for AgeOfChronos. After a few weeks you decided to impose v3. I don’t want to get into the merits, just don’t tell me that it was a community choice because it wasn’t, just as it won’t be a community choice to choose the deserving dapps and who is applying for other roles lately. There’s no point in explaining why, you understand it by yourself.
Our dapp tripled its users and stakers, we had more than 200, all from our community and for only 100k astar had a 95% reduction in rewards for more than a month, leading us to then move by force to Moonbeam.
You have not responded to us for weeks, neither you nor the core team, you delegated a person who was dealing with something completely different to tell us “do more marketing”.
How can you make the statements made above, which are yet another accommodation for a team that has been against the main entry rule to dappstaking for exactly 15 months?
Now you want a win win, I’m just wondering why. You are in large majority here above all colluding. There is little else to add, the fact that now a massive delisting of the majority of dapps is starting is not a good sign for your work. you were wrong and so much, instead of reaching a compromise path you decided to allow the scam and punish those who asked for fairness.
Our company lost $12,000 in 2024 because of the choice to focus on astar. The others, as far as I can see, without delivering anything, earned money that with the same product (or rather the idea of it, since it does not exist yet) they would not have collected in any context of web2. I wonder how such a thing can even be imagined.
These are the fake responses and fake interactions with no consequences after a year.
Your answer is predictable, yours or that of whoever will take your place here below:
Back on topic, enough talking about the past.
Too convenient, you must take your responsibilities.
We personally do not care about skylab. We have not collaborated with them because in the past we did not consider them serious. Maybe we were wrong, I can’t tell you that, the fact remains that for an idea similar to ours (but without any technical explanation) they raised funds and after 1 year, no dapp is actually active on astar, while we have explained the idea, worked without funds until March 2024, made an mvp in 3 months and will soon launch the finished game.
Whenever we have time, like in these end-of-year holidays, we will analyze existing dapps and if we can, we will put you in difficulty, in the same way we were put in difficulty regarding dappstaking and those who are part of it.
We are also still investors in astar, your tokens are in our end-of-year balance sheet, so we have every right to it.
You decided to create this climate among developers, there could have been a different cooperation and collaboration, but this would have affected the arrogance and earnings of a few.
So I repeat the question, why is this dapp still listed today?
15 months later, what did they use astar for? what are the onchain transactions made, what are the privileges that the network received. How can you talk about development for someone who not in 1-2-3 months but 15 has always declared that the game would be ready “the next month” and who today admits you:
No interaction or idea on how to do it.
Graphic product commissioned with the money received from dappstaking (milk cow, You core team also accused us of this when we ONLY PROPOSED the donkey gang migration to try to pull back in all the users disappointed by the AOC delist, about 200 of them and you didn’t even allow voting)
no game and NO MVP after more than 1 year, even though from what is written it will be something assembled from other pre-existing things. Which remains something not prosecutable if you have the right commercial rights of use (I doubt it).
I expect answers and not personal criticisms towards us. @AstarHood Robin Hoods don’t usually wait for the nobility to approve. Could you analyze the situation?
I’ve voted yes because there’s an element of sunk cost fallacy - but it’s regrettable that some projects get treated with special privileges from people in power in here and it is still a real issue.
I saw firsthand how @SFY_Labs were treated badly in the past and I tried to argue to keep them listed. If i was an ambassador like @0xRamz or someone else my voice / opinion would have carried more weight, which is not how a decentralized system should be. The rules should be clear, and the same for everyone.
I would respect the ambassadors / core team if they can hold their hands up and state that lessons have been learnt from the @SFY_Labs situation.
It might seem impossible now, but I would like to see that burnt bridge mended so all parties can put it in the past and move forward.
I still don’t understand, are you voting against the rules that you and the community have agreed to follow? I can’t understand 15 months without a blockchain product and use of astar, what exactly are you supporting? HUNTING.
The rule to be listed is clear. The only dirty thing is the continuous attempt to circumvent the rule itself. Congratulations to everyone, vote for Skylab everyone they deserve it, they have done so much for this ecosystem! Shame
We do not vote, this discussion is meaningless, the points highlighted are ridiculous, and if there is a regulation and you pass this vote, change the regulation.
Lesson? what lessons do you think a team that continuously seeks conflict because it does not accept being clearly at fault with its positions should learn. A core team that accepts that the main regulation is questioned with an anonymous and offchain vote where exactly the same people who are against everything our team has been trying to demonstrate for months will vote? There will be less than 30 votes. write it down.
How can we talk about democracy, if this and other situations continue in this way? Who the fuck is Ramz to decide to resolve the situation in this way, hiding main rules
@SFY_Labs In regards my Sunk Cost Fallacy point, The Skylabs team has been supported until now, it would be a shame to throw that work away now that the collection is finally migrated. However I can see why people would vote no.
And mate, I agree with all of your points.
I read the comments in the Donkey Gang dApp staking proposal again and it is clear a bias exists. The ambassadors and core team acted hypocritically here and I can see why you are looking for justice.
Edit: Before someone says keep it on topic - this is definately relevant. This is the exact same situation and how two teams building an NFT gaming product were treated differently. It shows how the support of ambassadors has a massive impact if a project can survive on Astar (which is a huge issue).
@Maarten can you provide your thoughts so we can put this to bed once and for all?
I do not agree with this point, what Skylab did wrong must be analyzed and actions must be taken according to the current regulation, not a new one invented on purpose. The cost of the team in terms of rewards is not something that must be taken into account. What both SFY and I cannot make people understand or do not want to understand is that all this does not concern a specific team but the behavior of those who have a proven greater strength in the ecosystem which is exactly everything the ecosystem has been trying to fight against since day 1. Skylab has just been too easy to analyze, the problem is that in two years of dappstaking nothing has gone right due to the wrong attitudes especially of those in charge of control. The problems encountered reached the Ambassadors first and then the core team in many cases. Today the same people pretend that they did not know anything and arrive at a fake vote on Square which today remains a channel still distant from the mass of stakeholder users. In other cases they make a useless and out-of-rule vote like this, in others they are harsh in enforcing the rules, even specifying the commas. This is the synthesis of a centralized system that channels funds towards friendly and easy-to-manage teams, or even more seriously towards teams that have Ambassadors with roles and economic interests within. I’ll unleash a memory for you:
the climate of injustice created by the actions of a few is reflected in the community. I have never seen so many teams interact so falsely with each other as here on astar, this is because obviously there is a fight for economic incentive. To date it seems that the core team is not interested in this, instead it should cultivate a healthy community and to do so injustices must not exist and the rules must be certain.
the problem is that many play their dirty tricks in this system, because control does not exist, is biased or in some cases has no compromises. However, having compromised towards a team that has been out of the norm for 15 months and that in the last 2 has never given sufficient answers, especially on a technical level (the discussion has been going on for a long time and is becoming vexatious even towards the team, always your fault) does not make sense to exist.
This is what I propose:
certain rules applied equally to everyone
controllers without economic interests and double roles
addition of public milestones to be achieved and not just written on the forum, which can be discussed in a community manner if not achieved (it can happen that a team goes through a bad period or is influenced by problems that cannot be circumvented, so compromise is desirable)
First of all, Happy New Year to everyone reading this message. I wish you and your families a peaceful and healthy 2025!
Second, I’m very pleased to see many interactions happening on the forum in the last couple of weeks. I truly wish that more fruitful outcomes would come from all the discussions while remaining respectful and open to others’ opinions.
Third, yes, mistakes are made. Nobody is perfect, but this doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t fix the mistakes we make. At the same time, I do feel that the focus is more on highlighting the mistakes, pointing fingers, or going for revenge. The solution is not always getting your way without thinking about the long-term sustainable solution. It would be much easier just to forget the past, and look step by step at how to improve and fix it. With the current sentiment, this is not possible, so we need to improve the sentiment first and get the trust back, but we need to be open to this.
First point: 100% agree! My suggestion would be let’s highlight them with the upcoming evolution Astar is taken and at the same time improve topics from the past but in a positive way with clear action steps.
Third point: there needs to be more control on those public milestones and yes Astar Foundation can do this but I feel this is also the responsibility on those who voted ‘yes’ on a certain proposal to do this and guardian. This comes back to my second topic written above that I’m very happy with the participation on this forum. We should encourage more local communities to join here
so, why did you allow the destruction of our work, by corrupt ambassadors, and after we reported it you pretended not to understand? How come the same ambassadors who were already the figure who was supposed to control these things (the figure exists today, it is not true that it does not exist) then improperly administered the system and you did nothing?
How come you endorse as the right-hand man of the founder of Astar and therefore as one of the most important people at a decision-making level, that a team presented 0 after 15 months and raised money that they probably could not have hoped to raise in any form on the web, indeed they probably would have received laughter in the face from those who are experts in the sector, while a company with which you have been collaborating since 2021 and which has done good for Astar several times, sometimes supported financially, sometimes even without financial support was excluded for having reported a system that damaged it irreparably?
Why don’t you call the founders of destore and say dear friends, where the hell did all the funds we gave you go? Why do you allow the development of dapps with astar funds and then don’t go and see who is building and who is assembling without having the rights to do so? Do you know that almost all of the dapps above that exploit the astar blockchain in the near future in which they were to show off for one reason or another could easily be sued for improper use of copyrighted content?
There are several discussions on this, how do you think the astar product will come out of it at that point?
How can you not understand which teams are deserving and which are not, if you don’t listen to what is reported to you and you hide behind the centralizing votes of a few? Is this the right path for you?
We have asked you for control and meritocracy since the day after the first day of staking in v3, and you, the core team and also the corrupt and presumptuous ambassadors, have denigrated us 360 degrees.
Now the bomb has exploded in your hands and you ask for a 2025 of collaboration and growth, start looking and fixing what you did wrong without throwing mud at those who point it out to you, because you did it.
Skylab has demonstrated incorrectness and inconsistency with what was written and proposed for more than 15 months, they know nothing about rmrk or how to use astar (their official answers, not mine) and the current vote is basically based on a precedent never seen here, created by those who share a position of power with you in this ecosystem.
I ask you, what did you vote for Maartens? because it is not clear, you still have not said what you think.
I would like to ask you to read my full thread , similar as what you are asking me to do. I’m saying that I agree that everyone should follow the rules and let fix moving forward the open issues but move forward with the upcoming evolution to guardian this better. If you want me to take the responsibility on myself, I will.
You don’t need to repeat everything again in each reply, I understand already your standpoint. I’m just looking forward now.
Astar Foundation didn’t gave them any funds. They received support through dApp Staking like any other projects that has been approved to join dApp Staking. This wasn’t an Astar Foundation sole decision.
Sorry, I don’t feel that way. Nothing has exploded in my hands. I’m just looking for solutions, you are looking for revenge.
I didn’t voted on anything, the poll is a sentiment poll. My sentiment is that I trust our community to vote with their sentiment.
Too easy for you Maarten. So recap:
sfy can’t always repeat the same things even if he’s saying all things that are acceptable by regulation and logic and instead the opposite is systematically done. You don’t say what you vote for, and no one knows why. Furthermore, you don’t say what a team has done in the last 15 months because you don’t accept “revenge”. but what revenge? astar financed with project money, mine and yours, a team that behaved like this. are you okay with it? if you accept it, you have to explain why. not voting (or pretending) and placing all the blame on SFY once again is RIDICULOUS. You’re a fake peacemaker. Continue on your proud and unregulated path.
I’m absolutely not doing this. Please point to me where I blamed SFY. I just shared my sentiment related to this topic. Again, I’m looking for a solution here together with you, so recapping everything again in each reply doesn’t support finding the solution.
Blockquote Third, yes, mistakes are made. Nobody is perfect, but this doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t fix the mistakes we make. At the same time, I do feel that the focus is more on highlighting the mistakes, pointing fingers, or going for revenge. The solution is not always getting your way without thinking about the long-term sustainable solution. It would be much easier just to forget the past, and look step by step at how to improve and fix it. With the current sentiment, this is not possible, so we need to improve the sentiment first and get the trust back, but we need to be open to this.
In professional medium sized to large companies, if a mistake is made - Corrective and Preventative Actions are implemented so that there is no re-occurrence. Investigations and questions are normal.
It feels like mistakes of the ambassadors or Core Team are brushed under the carpet, undermining those of us in the community who call it out to improve the system. I don’t have any revenge angle - I am purely financially motivated by wanting the price of Astar to grow - i just want an attractive and effective ecosystem for builders so that Astar has the best chance of being successful.
I do have renewed hope for Astar this year with your increased involvement here and the recent Community Council election results.
My last comment on this as it is steering off topic.
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