Astar: From dApp Staking to Astar's Financial Hub

Thank you. I think I’ve largely understood the overall picture of what you’re trying to convey.

On the application side, this is close to a kind of Layer 2 (not in the blockchain sense). For investors, it would function as a portfolio management application and a yield optimizer, while also serving as a super app for onboarding institutional investors.

In particular, Startale already has USDSC and the JPY stablecoin being developed together with SBI. If the destination DeFi infrastructure is well prepared, it is well positioned to operate as a hub for those assets. Moreover, since the Startale App is essentially aiming to do exactly this, tighter integration and coordination between the Astar Foundation and Startale could allow more value to be fed back into ASTR.

At the moment, the Startale App is still in beta and only integrates Soneium. However, once it supports Astar, applying those capabilities to the Portal as well could further strengthen its role as a DeFi hub. It might work well if the Startale App acts as the entry point, while Astar’s hub is accessed as a Mini App.

The main challenge is that, compared to using the Startale App directly, using the Astar-side platform would likely reduce APR due to the fees that are redirected back to ASTR. The question is how users will perceive this trade-off. For that reason, unlike the consumer-oriented Startale App, it might make sense for the Astar side to offer higher-risk strategies to differentiate the value proposition.

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I think the discussion after this point highlights the real question: what is Astar’s hub optimizing for, and for whom?

The APR comparison with the Startale App is useful, but I don’t think raw APR should be the primary lens here. The Astar-side hub shouldn’t compete with Startale as a consumer yield app. Its strength is that it can operate as a capital coordination layer for the ecosystem, not just a yield destination.

In practice, that means:

  • Startale = capital entry + compliant, lower-risk strategies

  • Astar Hub = capital deployment + ecosystem-aligned strategies

Even if APR is slightly lower, users on the Astar hub are gaining something different: exposure to how capital is allocated, not just where it sits. That includes dApp Staking, curated liquidity routing, and access to strategies that directly support and benefit from Astar-native growth.

On the risk side, I agree differentiation matters. The Astar hub can intentionally offer:

  • More dynamic or higher-risk strategies

  • Structured products (vaults, tranches, strategy baskets)

  • Early or exclusive access to new ecosystem deployments

This makes sense especially for users who already hold ASTR or want ecosystem-level exposure, rather than just passive yield.

Finally, the important mental shift is that fees flowing back to ASTR aren’t “leakage” — they are part of the product. The hub becomes a mechanism to convert capital activity into sustainable value for the token and the builders relying on it.

If framed clearly this way, the Astar hub and Startale App aren’t competing products, but complementary layers in the same capital flow.

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If the main idea is to work closely with Startale,

Astar Hub should be an application with its own strategies and products, and could leverage USDSC to achieve its financial goals for the benefit of the Astar ecosystem, ASTR, and its holders. I greatly respect Startale’s work, but their application seems to have the approach of a traditional DeFi application (The scope cannot be measured because it has just begun; our goal is USDSC). What I propose for the Hub is that it be a “liquidity layer” that uses USDSC to create products with yields and deploy liquidity in other dApps or networks. We would be the ones establishing the connection through vaults or pools inside and outside the ecosystem, helping to expand the liquidity field of USDSC. Startale would be the provider, or in other words, our central bank.

It is time to be protagonists, to be at the forefront, to build our own strategies and mechanisms. Startale is doing very well, and we can keep pace with our own application compatible with Startale.

The dApp Staking portal as UI/UX may disappear, and the dApp Staking function may be integrated into the Hub. This is just a supposition, but if the Hub is built, we must enhance UI/UX, as it is a new product.

We would be a great ally for Startale, and with the Hub we would be diversifying its field of action. The Startale app would have its own APR and APY products, as would we. I have outlined the differentiating factors throughout this thread.

Thank you again.

Well said, the Hub would be a capital allocator: it would create the necessary vaults or pools in its ecosystem or in foreign ecosystems.

However, I would like to highlight an important point.

In addition to being a capital allocator, the hub also serves as a gateway to liquidity, just like Startale. If we seek out our own customers, we can serve as a FIAT entry platform to convert them into USDSC stable currency and deploy those stables in our products.

No matter how you look at it, building a financial hub is advantageous. We can make many DeFi products more flexible, according to our strategies, adopting them to the most appropriate operations depending on market sentiment.

As I said before, the hub is a vehicle for deploying Startale’s liquidity, based on its own infrastructure and strategies.

Thanks Matt, great contribution.

Yes, that’s absolutely right.
However, that perspective mainly applies to community members like us who already have a strong sense of belonging to the Astar ecosystem. What we really need to reach are people one step before that.

Members like us might choose to use the Astar Hub even if there is some APR disadvantage. But that alone is not enough to grow the overall user base; there needs to be a more compelling reason to take that step. The most straightforward one is APR, and that is the metric DeFi players tend to judge in a very cold, rational way.

Alternatively, beyond APR, it comes down to whether the product itself is genuinely superior. If the UI/UX, liquidity aggregation, and portfolio management capabilities are excellent, users without any prior attachment to the ecosystem may flow in—and through that process, their interest in Astar could grow.

Placing emphasis here as a point of differentiation is important. Ecosystem-aligned strategies are relatively advanced concepts, so it becomes essential to offer an outstanding product on the “capital deployment” side to make this compelling.

Yes, exactly. We don’t yet know how far the Startale App intends to go in terms of the services it will offer, but it feels like they are primarily focused on a Mini App–centric approach. If that’s the case, they may choose not to launch deeply opinionated or advanced products themselves.
In that scenario, it would be extremely valuable for the Astar Hub to complement that role as a liquidity layer, and it would represent a significant advantage for the Astar ecosystem as a whole.

Thank you for this great article and for sharing your perspective.

It offers a rather radical and interesting viewpoint.

While reading the article, the Katana project (a DeFi L2 network developed by Polygon) came to mind. During my time working with Polygon, I created a lot of content related to Katana, and I think we can draw inspiration from it. It has apps for DeFi, and the revenue generated on the chain is reinvested into DeFi, and the chain itself has its own liquidity.

For reference, I am sharing the “Katana App” application: https://app.katana.network/

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Yes, we actually have plenty of room to prepare the appropriate infrastructure and financial strategies. As we have discussed, we see a lot of potential in terms of developing a liquidity layer managed by the Astar Financial Hub.

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Thank you for sharing this information. It is good to be aware of other developments to see how they work and what elements we can build to make a difference, as the competition will be fierce.

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Interesting vision on pivoting Astar into a financial hub. The 30% lending revenue to dApp Staking idea is creative. How would this compete with existing DeFi protocols on Astar?

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Good question. I don’t think the goal is to compete head-on with existing DeFi protocols on Astar, but to sit one layer above them. The Hub can act as a coordination and routing layer — aggregating liquidity, deploying capital into Astar dApps and even external venues, and recycling part of the revenue back into the ecosystem (e.g. dApp Staking).

If done right, this should be additive rather than extractive: more liquidity, better capital efficiency for existing protocols, and a clearer narrative for users who don’t yet have strong ecosystem loyalty.

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After spending an entire day reviewing this discussion, I’ve managed to catch up.

@Vangardem, the idea of turning Astar into a financial hub is truly ambitious and requires a significant allocation of resources, just as you outlined in your original proposal. However, it is feasible to execute.

What concerns me is the vision behind this proposal: transforming Astar into a finance-focused hub that uses USDSC as the core asset (with USDSC being a token entirely dependent on a third party, which, although a strong partner, Startale, has its own direction and interests).

That said, I’d like to understand your approach for this. What do you propose @Vangardem as the immediate execution plan? What strategy are you suggesting?

It’s remarkable how, in recent times, it’s become openly acknowledged that Startale, Soneium, and Astar each have their own interests, with no binding connection whatsoever.I’m glad that now – after Juminstock clearly admitted that “Startale, while being a strong partner, has its own direction and interests” – and especially in light of Sota’s latest statements in the AMA with You’, where he reiterated the total focus on Soneium as the main ecosystem for mass adoption with Sony, relegating Astar to a subordinate and “anchored” role without any independent priority – the community is finally being asked how to get out of this situation that calling tragic would be an understatement.At first, I too thought that turning Astar into a financial hub centered on dApp staking was a great idea – feasible and ambitious. But after Sota’s fresh words, it just seems like yet another desperate attempt to patch up a sinking ship.The reality is that we are one body with three heads – Startale, Soneium, and Astar – each governed by its own brain, with different goals and priorities. And guess what? Two of those heads (Startale and Soneium) are looking and running in the same direction, while the third (Astar) is being dragged along, growing weaker and with no say in the matter.And here’s the best part: all the massive investment in Startale with Sony for Soneium has been funded – directly or indirectly – using ASTR and its community. Campaigns like ACS and similar ones have literally drained Astar’s TVL, permanently transferring it to Soneium. We gave away liquidity, resources, and hype to build their new toy, while what’s left here is a desert.I don’t even want to think that part of that funding came from selling ASTR on the market… I won’t say it outright, but clearly everyone thinks it, given the movements and timing.Enough with the illusions of building something solid while depending on those who have already chosen which way to go. Empty promises, zero real reinvestments, nonexistent autonomous direction: that’s the balance sheet today.@Vangardem

, with all due respect for the initial ambition of the proposal (which I shared too), it now just looks like a way to buy time and avoid facing the truth.We need to break away definitively. Become completely independent, in the eyes of everyone – community, investors, market. Cut the cords, stop waiting for crumbs or illusory "anchors."Above all, refound a foundation that is ONLY for Astar, not “also for Astar.” An entity dedicated exclusively to our ecosystem, with team, funds, vision, and 100% decision-making power focused on ASTR. No more having a foot in two camps, no more diluted resources across different chains.And at this point, I can imagine how much decision-making power the current foundation has regarding the burndrop ratio… I’ve already figured it’s best not to get our hopes up: probably close to zero, given how things are going.As for the rest:“Revitalize” dApp staking? Personally, I’d eliminate it entirely. We’ve given away ASTR to anyone and everyone for years, and we’re left with nothing: ghost projects, insane inflation, zero real value retained.

Other ideas, financial hubs, etc.? We’ll talk about that at some indefinite future date. First, we fix the basic structure: an Astar-only foundation or nothing.

Going back to your original proposal: without a truly independent foundation with real power, any idea – no matter how ambitious – risks remaining just a nice dream on paper, crushed by the priorities of the other "heads."Otherwise, we just keep prolonging the agony of this head that’s at risk of being cut off, while the other two run toward their future – funded, ironically, also thanks to us. The community deserves real independence and governance that looks only at us, not proclamations that pretend unity where there’s only separation.

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All the points you’re raising here were discussed with G’ and Maarten during our last Astar Community Call. I highly recommend you watch it: https://www.youtube.com/live/bSsGPZPOtYw?si=TChegLNuLLLjENpS

From the current context of the Astar Collective to the new direction outlined and explained by Maarten, this Community Call serves as the starting point for all communications we will make regarding this.

Lastly, as I’ve told you before: the Astar Foundation focuses exclusively on the Astar ecosystem. Our direction is the value of ASTR, and every action we take stems from this, so it doesn’t make sense to state otherwise.

The new DEX AMM that will arrive in the ecosystem has already been announced, and with it, improvements for the entire ecosystem will come.

Thanks for the reply.I listen to all the lives, the community calls too, and I follow everything that’s posted publicly. So I’m informed, and I don’t need someone telling me to “watch the lives” as if I wasn’t already doing it.I invite you to listen to Sota’s live with the Japanese agent: very interesting and disturbing. Because there the founder clearly says dual roles and no clean separation, and now comes the promise that the Foundation will focus 100% on Astar and every decision will be to boost the price? Nice on paper, but it’s not enough.It’s not enough to erase the stagnation and the unequal treatment we’ve suffered so far in this “ecosystem.” We’ve given everything – resources, TVL, community, hype – and we’ve received nothing back. Zero. Not even a crumb.The point is exactly this: we’ve reached this level because for too long we’ve given everything to the larger ecosystem without getting anything in return. Staying hooked means just prolonging a situation where we give and others take.dApp staking that continues to distribute ASTR to anyone and everyone, including projects that work only on Soneium and couldn’t care less about Astar, leaving inflation, ghost projects, and zero value retained here.The participation in the PoC was the last straw: trust is at absolute zero, buried. A miracle wouldn’t be enough anymore.You can’t squeeze a community like lemons until the last drop and then, when there’s nothing left to give, promise partial separations or “100% focus.” It’s unacceptable. A community exists here that has given everything and deserves real respect, not crumbs or half-measures when it suits.@Vangardem

, if you still want to stay in this so-called “larger ecosystem” and turn Astar into a financial hub or whatever else you have in mind, do it as equals – with real parity, which has never been seen. As much as is given, as much must be received. Otherwise, cut every connection: even the fattest cow eventually runs out of milk. Continuing like this is just buying time and feeding those who have never given us back anything.Without a REAL and BINDING separation – Foundation EXCLUSIVELY on Astar, zero dual roles, zero modifiable “guidelines” – any ambitious proposal is just hot air.We need:Precise and binding timelines

Total elimination of dual roles

Foundation with exclusive power at 120% on tokenomics and burndrop, decided only by Astar

The community wants concrete facts, not delays or promises for reasons unknown to us. I’m waiting for real details.

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I fully agree with @Marroz , and I stand behind everything he said. I share the same frustration and the same conclusions.

What’s missing here is not more explanations, calls to “watch the lives,” or recycled narratives. What’s missing is execution. For a long time now, this ecosystem has been built on promises, frameworks, directions, and future plans — but with very little that actually materializes for Astar itself.

This also raises a very direct and uncomfortable question: do you still believe Astar should be financing Startale Labs employees simply to maintain their cash flow? Because that is how it looks from the outside. Astar capital, Astar inflation, and Astar patience are being used, while the benefits are diffuse, delayed, or captured elsewhere.

@juminstock , with all due respect: please stop presenting this as if it were an independent strategic vision. You are an employee of Startale Labs, and your communication inevitably reflects their agenda. That’s fine — but let’s be honest about it. Framing it as neutral guidance for the Astar community, while there is no binding separation, no concrete timelines, and no irreversible decisions, only deepens the trust gap.

What the community is reacting to is not a lack of information — it’s the accumulation of unmet expectations. We’ve heard about focus, alignment, value capture, parity, and future improvements many times. Without hard commitments, dates, and non-reversible actions, these remain words.

We don’t need more narratives. We need facts, timelines, and decisions that cannot be walked back.

The community has already given more than enough. Respect now has to be shown through actions, not assurances.

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If you want us to continue having a healthy conversation, it would be ideal to remove the ironies. I didn’t give you a mandate; I only recommended that you watch the live since many points were discussed there.

Like you, I’m also aware of everything happening in our ecosystem.

You are correct in saying that Sota was the Founder of Astar Network, but that doesn’t mean he decides the direction of the protocol, as that is the role of the Astar Foundation, a team with a single interest: the development and value of Astar. Lastly, Startale is not the Astar Foundation; this has been explained in the past by Maarten. Startale has been a great contributor to Astar alongside the Astar Foundation, but they are separate entities, as we have mentioned before.

In fact, this is no correct. None of our treasuries (Main Treasury or Community Treasury) are used to pay Startale employees. These treasuries are exclusively for the use of our ecosystem.

But don’t get me wrong, I’m not against your points; in fact, I’m glad you share them. I’m glad to see members like you willing to speak up and say what you feel is wrong.

The Astar Foundation is fully committed to you, our community.

  • That’s why we published the Astar 2025 recap with a section focused on what to expect in Q1 2026.

  • We also launched the Astar Foundation Forward initiative, as we read your comments and transformed them into this initiative.

  • Finally, we started collaborating on the development of a Collective‑Driven CLMM DEX for the Astar ecosystem, in response to your requests.

Everything we are doing, guys, is focused on you, our community. This is part of the roadmap for Astar, the new direction, and the real, concrete actions the Astar Foundation is taking to increase the value of our ecosystem.

I’m sharing this especially here for you, so see me more as a close ally, because that’s what I am.

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We would not compete with the dApps in the ecosystem, but rather complement them to create and distribute liquidity within and outside the ecosystem.

Well, Startale and USDSC have their own strategy, I understand that perfectly.

The stablecoins that exist in most protocols belong to a third party: USDT, USDC, DAI, to name a few of those with the most liquidity in the ecosystem. However, management and strategy depend on each platform.

Astar Financial Hub could support a basket of stablecoins in order to fulfill its economic strategies.

Astar could even have its own stablecoin: aUSTR, to mention a ticker, this would allow for expanding the protocol’s field of action, but first we need to capture the necessary liquidity to produce revenue that matches our initial expectations.

Note to the immediate execution plan:

Astar Financial Hub can start with an MVP dedicated to lending. Let’s look at the following example:

Astar Lending can emerge as the first product. The necessary liquidity must be gathered to get started.

For example, deposit USDSC or aUSTR and obtain Ethereum as a loan or vice versa. Initially, Astar’s liquidity layer must be developed, which I would rather call an initial liquidity base: “Astar Liquidity Base.”

The Lending section would be ideal to start with. The necessary pools and vaults must be established with an intuitive UI/UX where people can perform their DeFi (lending) actions. You can even set up a panel that tells people when liquidation will occur if it is approaching or about to happen. You can manage a number from 3 to 0 (well, this can wait, but it’s a good idea).

The issue is as follows:

  1. We must start with a clean and intuitive platform (MVP). Provided there is support in terms of liquidity. Note: First test on testnet.

  2. Look for traditional funds that want to invest or deploy their liquidity, or take advantage of it.

  3. I know that certain legal conditions must be met. This must be done in collaboration with the Foundation, which I imagine has the means and contacts to do so.

On the other hand, Startale has its own methods, we have ours, but Startale cannot, under any circumstances, once the USDSC is launched, prevent who can manage it and who cannot, so we can go after that liquidity, find a way to capture it in the Hub, and leverage it in our financial products.

“This last point may sound aggressive, but it is Game Theory”.

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I assure you there is no irony in my sentence, let alone cheap irony. It is simply a factual and honest response from someone who already knows that your advice was followed long before you mentioned it. After all, I don’t see what there is to be ironic about, and I guarantee you that my mood is anything but cheerful.That said, I’m tired of the usual words. I appreciate the final part of your response and I’m aware that you feel a strong sense of responsibility. But now there’s no more room for pleasantries, and continuing to talk about this nonsense is pointless: the only way to back up words with action is hard work for Astar, starting with a favorable ratio for the burndrop, managed in the best possible way so as to support the growth of both those who choose to stay and those who decide to move to the other side of the ecosystem.On that note, I’ll own up to it: I realize I’ve already gone too far beyond the topic for which this thread was opened, and I’d like to avoid coming across as disrespectful to the person who started it. As for the topic in question, I’ve already expressed my opinion: if the foundation does not take on dual roles—and thus inevitably a conflict of interest that is detrimental to Astar and disproportionate toward Startale/Soneium (as has always been the case for the past year)—the idea is very good and worth discussing, but only in that case.The rest doesn’t matter. I’ve been writing all day and all I do is repeat the same things. Like everyone else, I’m waiting for results.Good work.”

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@marroz @kebitorrent I have read your comments and impressions. As humble servants, together with @juminstock in Astar, we are always convinced that we must seek the best for the protocol. I see this proposal as a gift to the community. We must now focus on achieving realistic goals.

I agree with both of you, and I apologize if, as an Agent, I had not put forward a proposal like this before, but the reason may be simpler than it seems, which is that projects need to mature and also adapt to new times. Right now, it is a matter of addressing the shortcomings and moving forward.

I don’t want this to be seen as an excuse, but I have never seen a market as aggressive as this one, and I have many years of experience within the ecosystem. Right now, the idea that I am breaking down throughout this post is so that we do not suffer the ravages of the market and ASTR can cease to be a “Unidirectional” token in terms of performance and become “Multidirectional”. With a reliable and consistent product, aggressive downward markets like this one could be more controlled, as we would minimize risk by deploying more ways to capture liquidity, even in bad times or times of low liquidity like now.

Finally, I want to close the year with an analysis:

Markets are cyclical; this is no secret to anyone. But the crux of the matter is how to maintain liquidity when bull cycles come to an end. I have always been in search of the Holy Grail, and I believe that blockchain is simpler and more exploitable than it seems if you touch the right pieces: “sell an idea and turn it into a lasting product” is what we must do now.

Cycles repeat themselves, but I have observed that most projects do not know how to combat bear markets. The truth is that the solution is simple: create a “liquidity loop,” and users and the protocol will not suffer regardless of the state of the economic cycle we find ourselves in.

This loop is achieved by forging a durable financial product, a dApp capable of sustaining its liquidity, bringing it in and turning it around, but without attrition or dilution. Ultimately, it’s about creating money consistently, but also preserving it.

I always like to think based on this analysis I did some time ago:

  • Attract the Ouroboros:

We have seen many projects in the ecosystem come and go, some with very good ideas, communities, and utilities, others without large communities but still building, and others simply falling into oblivion.

I believe that projects must constantly reinvent themselves, as the ecosystem is dynamic and evolves rapidly, “what is true today may not be true tomorrow.”

Uroboros represents the eternal dance between the beginning and the end. The environment thrives thanks to its cycles: when one dies, another begins, and that is what guarantees its constant functioning, evolution, and survival.

Now let’s imagine applying this concept to a dApp, in this case “Astar Financial Hub.”

Let’s take the distribution of revenue to the protocol as an example:

Revenue establishment cycles to be distributed to the Astar Financial Hub protocol:

Revenue distribution will take place in two cycles, one ascending and one descending. The goal is to create market cycles in a controlled environment, taking only revenue as a reference, which will be set at fixed percentages on a permanent basis. It should be noted that the other elements of the market are beyond our control.

The cyclical and dynamic distribution of Revenues will encourage Traders to move in a constant and sustained way in our market, allowing them to make momentous decisions once each cycle is close to start or end.

Upward and downward graph of Revenue distribution :red_triangle_pointed_up: :red_triangle_pointed_down:

Both 6-month cycles will begin and end repeatedly. This is how we close the one-year cycle.

During the phases that make up each cycle, traders or holders of ASTR or any other assets within the Hub will be able to design strategies that allow them to obtain greater profits.

I know it can be confusing, but I’m trying to convey this idea that I came up with a few years ago and that could work. I haven’t seen anything like it on any other platform. It’s entirely my own conception and creation, and I want to share it with the community because I think now is the right time. It could be the key to sustaining any ecosystem, including ours.

Ouroboros = Liquidity

Note: the graphics mention “Royalties,” but for the example and initial proposal, this should be read as “Revenue.”

This is my end-of-year gift to you guys, and I conclude that sometimes things can be resolved simply and clearly with examples and thoughts like the one above.

Thank you for participating in this great conversation.

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