Poll: Whether We Should Issue SDN Tokens to the 2nd Lockdrop Unclaimed People?

You are correct.
The teams allocation also was calculated from the minted tokens. If you didnt claim, the tokens were not minted, so not counted in the teams allocation.

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Good one Maarten, I see what u did there :rofl: So there was a vote on this to decide it was what the people want was there :rofl: Also why all this talk about minting tokens. I think the point was token redistribution. Keep up boys :rofl:

Correct but it goes always off topic to the same thing that already been discussed and closed.

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I’ve been reading all the forum posts. What is the point of this thread. It’s clear some think only PLM holders should get SDN and as Sota himself said after lockdrop 2 all people who locked Eth and contributed are part of the community. So shouldn’t we just take Sota at his word and issue to all in the community? Makes sense and actually seems to echo the original values of the team.

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You can be a part of the community without having SDN, there will be many more joining this growing community. Having PLM or SDN doesn’t define who can be a part of the community.

I think so too. I am skeptical to say that all lockdrop participants are contributing to the ecosystem because they locked ETH.

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I Agree and disagree i claimed my tokens and got my PLM, but the others who missed it shouldn’t be penalized “only” If the rest of us that participated get some as well. If not they should not get any because of their mistake. I work 15hr days but i still try and stay with my crypto as much as i can.

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Lockdrop participants are contributing to the ecosystem directly based on the fact of locking Eth and contributing to TVL. Please elaborate on why you don’t feel this is the case? Just seems like an odd stance from the Team?

I think there are 2 issues. 1. If we continue to shun the people that locked their Eth for up to 1000 days, and refuse to acknowledge that they made a great contribution, but because of a misclick they receive nothing from the project, they will stay negatively engaged for up to 1000 days creating unnecessary friction and distraction until they get their Eth back, which is not good for the project and it’s reputation.
2. Allowing these members of the community to receive a benefit from their early support of the project will stop any negativity and distraction and allow the project to achieve its goals.

Seems time to stop all the hate and start on the love :heart:

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You brought up a good point and with this being a rather “big deal” that the information was not provided as to even consider other options before the “community poll” with a “yes” or “no” only option happened.

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Reducing the steps that they failed to just a misclick is inaccurate.

We are now 5 months after the issue, noone is being shunned, in fact the opposite conversation has been entertained for far too long, perpetuating the issue. What we need now is to just step up moderation and start finalizing these convos.

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Regarding the 2nd lockdrop, the conversation is finalized. We won’t issue PLM tokens for them. Regarding the Shiden Network token, many people say yes/no. These responses means nothing. We need a solution rather than yes/no.

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I was against, but I’ve found
" “Lockdrops” means that participants who joined our previous ETH lockdrop can get SDN tokens at the Shiden Network genesis."
here: Announcing Shiden Network, a Kusama Parachain of Plasm Network | by Sota Watanabe | Plasm Network | Jan, 2021 | Medium

@sota Doesn’t this clearly mean, that ANY participant of ETH should can claim SDN?
Not a single word about claiming/not claiming PLM!

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At this moment, it is not decided yet and that’s why this forum is active. But from what I can see here, people say that SDN should be distributed to PLM token holders.

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Of course I understand, and as i mentioned previously , I was against. But for me there are three points:
0. I am not greedy and I don’t care if someone will get the consolation prize.

  1. I want to believe to the Word of the team. If the announcement was a statement - you should follow it. If not - then you can make it the other way.
  2. If the minting new tokens is insanely difficult, then the team should move its focus from this problem (soothe a child) to some actual task.
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Can we not just vote on it? The redenomation thread was closed without allowing a vote as to which number the community felt was best if provided with causality options. Can we not at least be presented some here?

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Hope we can make a poll soon. But one problem we have now is that if the vote is yes, we have to aggregate all unclaimed information and doing this means more work on the developer side. Currently, we don’t have resources and time to work on this since there are many high priority tasks like implementing XCMP etc. Technically, Plasm is 100% open source and anyone can do the above task. Any candidates?

If some of you think SDN should be distributed to unclaimed users, please do this task. The community can open the poll, once we can find the candidate who work on this I think. If we can’t find the candidate before launching Shiden Network (the end of Feb), I think it is difficult to issue SDN tokens to unclaimed users. I am sorry but the core team really doesn’t have time.

Just a reference, we are working on the following things now. The core team has 8 developers but we need to implement tasks (8.5 people are needed)

  • Ethereum bridge (1 dev full time)
  • ZK Rollups Web3 Foundation Grant (1 dev full time)
  • Optimistic Virtual Machine Grant (CTO full time)
  • Proof of Stake implementation (1 dev full time)
  • Plasm Network Portal Frontend and Backend(3 devs full time)
  • XCMP Rococo (1 dev full time)
  • Infrastructure development (1 dev part time)

Would like to do a poll after fining someone!!

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Please don’t make a poll, it will open the door for more of these already severely exhausted conversations.

You guys focus on your very busy workflow.

Make a decision on what you’d like to do. Announce it as final and let’s move forward with whatever that decision is.

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Isn’t this exactly opposite to what the team states was the right thing to do during the PLM claim issue? I’m confused why a vote was necessary during the unclaim issue, then a vote is not necessary during the redenomination issue, and now a vote will only be considered in the SDN allocation issue if someone else does some work for the team? If this work was done by a person who failed to finalise the PLM lockdrop 2 claim would it be deemed irrelevant as those people don’t provide any value to the community based on the fact they are stupid and didn’t finalise their claim?

On the reverse if this information was completed by a person who didn’t finalise their claim during lockdrop 2 could we then agree that they are important to the project and come up with a solution for them regarding issuing some or all of their PLM?

I’m not technical but any non-claimer get to work and show them your worth.

I imagine the team are clever right? And know their own project inside out. Seems to a non techie like me that this would be quite easy and quick to determine this information.

Maybe I’m being naive sorry. Keep up the good work!